"Official" Live at the Bike thread (11/18) (10/20 NL, VIP Night)

[Kevmath]

Tonight's show is 10/20 NL, with a special prize awarded the "VIP" player of the night. The player who performs the best will win some Paul McCartney tickets (or maybe Juan Gabriel if Jesus wins). Jesus, Corp. Mike, Action Joe Ngyuen and others will be on hand to hopefully mix it up. Last night's $200 game was probably one of the worst shows (and threads) to appear in a while. It was full of passive, weak play and friends checking each other down. Too many off topic posts/pictures last night drove some people to ask that the thread get moved back to where it came from. So tonight, I make a desperate plea to try and steer the discussion to what's happening on the table. If not, then the thread will be on the move yet again until it's put out of its misery eventually.

[surfinillini]

Kev,

Apologize if I did anything of the sort. I tried to liven the thread up ONLY AT THE END (last 5-10 min.) with my tourney post...but hey, check it out:

PokerStars Tournament #15015515, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
1137 players
Total Prize Pool: $11370.00
Tournament started - 2005/11/17 - 19:45:00 (ET)

Dear surfinillini,

You finished the tournament in 2nd place.
A $1,591.81 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

You earned 479.42 tournament leader points in this tournament.
For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at
http://www.pokerstars.com/tlb_tournament_rankings.html


Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.

[Kevmath]

Congrats on your 2nd place, I was referring more to the various pictures posted in the thread. At least poker was being discussed in your hand, although maybe the HH's here was a little much.

[surfinillini]

I did not post HH and I thought it was out of place too (especially if it was unconverted /images/graemlins/grin.gif ).

I think someone else did once the show was over...either way, I'm anxious to see if action Joe can for once bank a winning session.

[cwsiggy]

sheesh - last night was so bad - pics and hand histories were way better. But we'll refrain from now on.

[BartHanson]

Hello, everyone we just started the show and all of the light blew out over the table we are working on the problem and have now fixed it we should be on air by 6:07.

[GimmeDaWatch]

Honestly, Im not even sure why they bother showing the 200NL game. I find it very dull personally. Maybe if they had the same game with deeper stacks I could stand it.

www.liveatthebike.com (http://www.liveatthebike.com) is not working for me, could someone please post the webcast url directly?
Thanks in advance.

[Russ McGinley]

You can't blame anyone in the thread for veering off the show when there is no poker being played and its instead a bunch of friends softplaying each other and the ones who aren't softplaying are slowplaying to the river. Last night's show should just be discarded as an aberration due to the play and players on the table. Nobody wants the thread to degenerate into an OOT discussion but it's unavoidable when the show is totally unwatchable.

[GimmeDaWatch]

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Hello, everyone we just started the show and all of the light blew out over the table we are working on the problem and have now fixed it we should be on air by 6:07.

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Could you at least entertain us by looping "My name is Jonas" in the interim?

[surfinillini]

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Honestly, Im not even sure why they bother showing the 200NL game. I find it very dull personally. Maybe if they had the same game with deeper stacks I could stand it.

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After the show I wanted to learn some Korean and found out that Sin Jin translates into: "Check it Down".

[Kevmath]

Last night was pretty hard to watch. However, I guess some think that the thread is a "disservice" to the forum (as well as threads about the Mahatma v KKF battle). I don't want to take it back to the WPT forum, and there's maybe one other forum the thread could be in that would be a good fit. Hopefully there's good poker tonight, and that is the dominant discussion in the thread.

[BartHanson]

Im sorry guys we fixed the light problem but we seem to be having another problem with are stream. I will keep you personally updated.

[mothman]

I cant connect. any1 else having trouble? /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[cwsiggy]

Should be fun voting for the "best" player.

Corporation Mike actually may have a shot at it, if he can restrain himself from making donkey plays. He may not even be playing.

He is playing. Laggy Laggy!!!!

[Russ McGinley]

I love the red chips. Nice of Tommy Huffnagel to wear a red shirt so that nobody can see how many chips he has.

[mothman]

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I love the red chips. Nice of Tommy Huffnagel to wear a red shirt so that nobody can see how many chips he has.

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hahaha

[GimmeDaWatch]

Anybody know if Carlos just inherited some money or something?

[Kevmath]

Would it be best to actually create a poll 2 hours from now for all possible candidates?

[surfinillini]

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Anybody know if Carlos just inherited some money or something?

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Let's keep it strictly poker tonight.

thanks for the nod on the tourney dave /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[cwsiggy]

Yes to the poll - but it may need to be backed up with evidence. sometimes people just click on anything with polls.

[mothman]

where is Barry? Love watching him call down all the bluffs.
When are they going to realize that he has good reading skills, along with being very stuborn. More on the stuborn side. /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[cwsiggy]

don't forget - points for folding "trap" hands.

[YoungOne]

Bart and David,

Here's how to the make the Whale Game on Wednesday night better. Invite Prahlad Friedman to play in it. We were chatting with him at Prima the other night and he said you guys tried inviting him.

Tell Yosh to call him up or whoever does it. It would be a real treat if he does show up because he cleans up online at 50/500 and 100/200 NL HE.

-YoungOne

[cwsiggy]

wow - I'm not sure what is better, going all in like that with AK or Corp Mike folding.

[Russ McGinley]

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where is Barry? Love watching him call down all the bluffs.
When are they going to realize that he has good reading skills, along with being very stuborn. More on the stuborn side. /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I believe Barry is in Vegas.

[surfinillini]

AQ call not at bad as it seems, he's getting 4:1 against the tightest player at the table /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Russ McGinley]

Um, more checking down? Better put a stop to that real quick.

[GimmeDaWatch]

Regaring calling allin w/AQ, yes he had pot odds once he already called the $280 re-raise, but that only underscores
the fact that he shouldnt have put half his chips in there to begin with.

[GimmeDaWatch]

What does "3+1" rake mean? Is that $1 drop and $3 rake? Is it a % with a max?

[mothman]

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What does "3+1" rake mean? Is that $1 drop and $3 rake? Is it a % with a max?

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I think the +1 is for the bad beat jack pot

[Kevmath]

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What does "3+1" rake mean? Is that $1 drop and $3 rake?

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You've answered your own question, well done! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Russ McGinley]

I dunno if Mahatma would want all his hands shown to the world.

[Kevmath]

He'd get 3 hours of time over the Internet to freestyle rap and rant against Bush. I'm sure he'd love to do that.

[mothman]

I dont get the straddling.. Do full time players straddle?
As far as I know they dont.

[deepdowntruth]

The whole idea behind "Bluff Night" was to induce action; didn't it do so? I mean I suppose it's pretty thrilling to watch the "Best Player of the Night" make a stop bet on the river with a marginal hand, or bet into a made flush on the flop, but is that the most compelling thing to watch on TV? GIMME TEH BLUFF!!

[cwsiggy]

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I dont get the straddling.. Do full time players straddle?
As far as I know they dont.


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Straddling gets negative points for the voting. It's just a double blind posted to induce action.

[Russ McGinley]

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He'd get 3 hours of time over the Internet to freestyle rap

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Kill me now.

Was that another check down? Ok, time for action.

[surfinillini]

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I dont get the straddling.. Do full time players straddle?
As far as I know they dont.


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Straddling gets negative points for the voting. It's just a double blind posted to induce action.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with straddling in deep stack NL poker, especially if the table is playing tight.

[cwsiggy]

Really? I always thought it is just chip spewing. hmmmmm
Interesting.

[mothman]

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I dont get the straddling.. Do full time players straddle?
As far as I know they dont.


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Straddling gets negative points for the voting. It's just a double blind posted to induce action.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with straddling in deep stack NL poker, especially if the table is playing tight.

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I'll give you the point of deep stack NL., but I would prefer to just raise from UTG. I personaly do not like posting. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[surfinillini]

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Really? I always thought it is just chip spewing. hmmmmm
Interesting.

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I love to do it because it projects a loose image, when in most games I play a very TAG game.

It's good to advertise your looseness and maybe get caught once or twice bluffing to get paid big down the road.

[cwsiggy]

I guess straddling is the same cost as limping, but I'd rather limp with hands tha tI see rather than random hands. I guess straddling gives a better loose image though. Makes sense.

[mothman]

Why is it so hard for these guys to fold 2nd pair in a multi action pot?
Does he really need that much time? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Happy Friday to all LATB fans.
Have fun drinking, guys. I like Spaten with lemon.


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[GimmeDaWatch]

Max had a pretty tough decision there. He's basically coinflipping vs 2 pair and is obliterated vs a straight and maybe 2.5:1 dog vs a set. I also think set might make that raise.

[cwsiggy]

uh oh - I see trouble brewing in the thread.

[cwsiggy]

Isn't that a bit aggressive to move in like that with two overs on the board. What am I missing here? I know he had position.

FWIW, it seemed aggressive to me.

[Kevmath]

To save the question from being asked, it's not 2+2's own El Diablo.

In other L@TB news, what are the plans for next Thursday and Friday?

Edit: Since that was answered before you saw my Q, will there be any "best of" programming those two nights?

[surfinillini]

Finally...someone with the nuts says I AM NOT GOING TO CHECK THE NUTZZZZZZZZZ!

As far as no double fist night: Let's start a poll to see if Bart sufferred from a little Whiskey Dick last Friday /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif

What happened on the nut club flush hand? Did freddie go all-in? I lost my connection.

[cwsiggy]

Tommy is in the lead I think - by default.

He kinda reminds me of Sam Grizzle - looks wise.

[Kevmath]

Tommy's the Earth 2 Sam Grizzle. I thought everyone had fallen asleep the way the posts dried up. Unofficial poll should be up by the top of the hour involving those players at the table.

[cwsiggy]

I think anyone who plays poker for 30 years winds up looking like Sam Grizzle. Phil Ivey will look like Sam Grizzle in 30 years.

[surfinillini]

Sorry Kev,

I got three screens going on @ the same time. Stars tourney, Lakers game and LATB.

BTW - lakers suck

[surfinillini]

Big pot brewing here.


2 3 4 5 6

Freakin brutal /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[cwsiggy]

That was a Pokerstars special on that board.

[Garland]

That's the second time I heard something to the effect of "he's only invested $20, he should be able to get away from this". The 2nd time in reference of Mike's call of a limp-reraise with 88 against Tommy's AA.

"He's only invested ___ dollars"... should never be a reason for a decision to call, raise or fold. What you put in the pot is no longer yours. It's now in the pot and you use pot odds to determine if you should call, raise or fold (as well as remaining stacks for implied odds).

Sorry, but I've heard "I've only put $xx in the pot, I'm getting away from this" a lot, and it's this faulty logic which leads to poor decisions.

Garland

[Kevmath]

Syracuse weather update: Snow yesterday and today.
Syracuse sports update: SU 47 Florida 47 2nd half (SU football gets embarassed on national TV tomorrow v Notre Dame)

[GimmeDaWatch]

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To save the question from being asked, it's not 2+2's own El Diablo.

In other L@TB news, what are the plans for next Thursday and Friday?

Edit: Since that was answered before you saw my Q, will there be any "best of" programming those two nights?


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Nope, El D is playin UB 10/25 tonight.

[deepdowntruth]

"Listen all y'all it's self-sabotage!!!"

ALAN!! BET YOUR HAND!

[Kevmath]

Let's see if I can actually get this poll to work, this is an unofficial poll to determine who played the best tonight. It's not necessarily who won the most money, or made the best bluffs.

[surfinillini]

edit : BART and Tuch have really bad short term memories.

Jeff K.= Surfinillini

[cwsiggy]

What is El D's screename?

[cwsiggy]

hmmmm Kev - It's taking votes. Did you set that up right?
Only vote once?? Isn't it too early.

[Kevmath]

I wanted it to start now. It is a bit early, but wanted to see how many people would actually care to vote.

[PokerSparky]

Didn't Alan star in the Beastie Boys video "Sabotage?"

[Russ McGinley]

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Syracuse weather update: Snow yesterday and today.
Syracuse sports update: SU 47 Florida 47 2nd half (SU football gets embarassed on national TV tomorrow v Notre Dame)

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GO GATORS

[surfinillini]

Holy [censored]

I think I just picked up a major tell on Corp Mike.

[gabbahh]

It's 5.30 AM over here in Holland.

[Kevmath]

SU beat Buffalo, and they're only +35 against ND tomorrow.
60-60 with 7:20 left.

[cwsiggy]

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I think I just picked up a major tell on Corp Mike.


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Now if you are going to tease us, you have to tell us.

[whalekock]

In west hollywood, George would be a top.

[surfinillini]

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I think I just picked up a major tell on Corp Mike.


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Now if you are going to tease us, you have to tell us.

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I'll PM you, I don't know if it would be etiquette/wise to broadcast it on the forum.

-surf

[cwsiggy]

George's fan could be a guy... from google

Eros - Eros is the the Greek god of love and beauty. He stands over love with Aphrodite and education with Athena. He is also considered a protector of liberty. Additionally, Eros stands for homosexual love between men and adolescent youth. Certain Greek armies made sacrifices to him before battle, because the love between male soldiers was believed to ensure military success.

[whalekock]

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I think I just picked up a major tell on Corp Mike.


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Now if you are going to tease us, you have to tell us.

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I'll PM you, I don't know if it would be etiquette/wise to broadcast it on the forum.

-surf

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Keep it to yourself then show up on the next bluff night and reap the rewards of your observations.

[cwsiggy]

lol Holy crap - spot on Surf!

[surfinillini]

Did you just see that hand CW when Mike flopped the nuts.

See what he did (or didn't do???)

[cwsiggy]

yep - that's why I said that - unbelievable!!
I need to work on my tell spotting - like seeing the cards.

[montechristo]

change my vote to mike

[cwsiggy]

Change mine to Mike also, I suppose.

[mikeyvegas]

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Change mine to Mike also, I suppose.

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[surfinillini]

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Change mine to Mike also, I suppose.

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[cwsiggy]

I think bluff night is better, but this was good.
Mike has potential to be very good, he just gambles too much.

Why don't they just show the winner getting his prize? It can't take more than 1 minute.

[Kevmath]

If they do this again, I'll just have to start the poll a little bit later. Since they mentioned it would be headsup poker, if that's still the case on Monday, the thread will be in the HUSH forum that night. Final score: Florida 70-something, SU 60-something.

Thanks for watching! Good poker tonight, but kind of slow for a friday night.

Mike really appreciated the McCartney tickets and thanks everyone that voted. We ended the show one hand too early - I went out to the table to see a 7,000 pot between Mo and Tommy. The flop had come out 10-J-Q with two spades. Mo had k-9 of spades and Tommy had ace-jack of spades.... Mo checked, Tommy bet, Mo check raised and Tommy Moved all-in...Mo Called.

They ran it three times - Mo won twice and Tommy once.

Anyway, Monday should be alot of fun...Heads up No-limit hold'em. See ya then!
Have a great weekend!