Troop Pullout Vote

Looks like they are going to vote on this tonight...

Anyone think this resolution may pass?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051118/D8DV3NHG7.html

[Dotson]

It will fail. The Repubs made a good move here. The best the dems can do it say that the resolution is a republican one and not what Cong. Murtha suggested. Focus on making it clear that this is a republican resolution and that it is not at all similar to Murtha's idea. Follow it up with "I would gladly vote yes on Murtha's amendment that says.... and hope we get a chance to very soon" They must gain distance between the republican amendment and what Murtha actually proposed.

[QuadsOverQuads]

Of course it will fail.

It's a Republican "rewrite" of Murtha's bill that is specifically designed to be unacceptable.

It's a political propaganda ploy, and is not worthy of being treated as anything more.


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[TomCollins]

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Of course it will fail.

It's a Republican "rewrite" of Murtha's bill that is specifically designed to be unacceptable.

It's a political propaganda ploy, and is not worthy of being treated as anything more.


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And the Democratic bill wasn't politics either? It's all a political game.

[$DEADSEXE$]

Trust me when I say the House Repulbicans will be screaming for Bush to make a substantial troop withdrawl right before the 2006 elections.
Most politcal columnists are already predicting it to happen with about 40 to 50,000 being brought back home.

[Jedster]

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Of course it will fail.

It's a Republican "rewrite" of Murtha's bill that is specifically designed to be unacceptable.

It's a political propaganda ploy, and is not worthy of being treated as anything more.


q/q

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And the Democratic bill wasn't politics either? It's all a political game.

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Is the war a political game? If not, why do you think the opposition to it is?

[andyfox]

There are elections in Iraq next month. The Republican calls for "stand-down" will happen soon thereafter.

[Cyrus]

Lost among the noise and the clutter in Washington, and while the politicians are jockeying for advantage over the fates of thousands of young men and women in Iraq, not to mention the hapless Iraqis themselves, the news is that, when it comes down to sending home American troops, the Iraqi Army is simply not getting ready, any time soon!

There's an interesting article on the very subject in the latest Atlantic : "Why Iraq Has No Army" (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200512/iraq-army)

[andyfox]

Any time 99.26% of the congress agrees on something, it's 99.26% sure we're getting hosed.

[sam h]

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the Iraqi Army is simply not getting ready, any time soon!

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Yes, this is the fundamental problem.

Although the death sqads seem to be in better shape. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Felix_Nietsche]

Typical.
Politicians without principles value power. Part of keeping their power is to not alienate their voters. Anytime they can claim both sides of an issue then they can tell both sides I voted with you. E.g. Kerry and clan acting pro-war when the polls were favorable and then doing a 180 now the polls show falling support for the war.

The Republicans out-maneuvered the Dems. The Dems that voted for the war now want to play both sides of the issue by VERBALLY declaring that they now opposed the war and want the troops home. So the Repubs called their bluff and put it to a vote . Now the Dems faced an ackward situation. If they voted for withdrawal they would be accused as weak cut-and-run cowards. If Bush43 succeeds in Iraq, then they can't claim any of the credit. The Dems took the politically expediate course. They have no principles except to regain power.

You got to give credit to the Repub leadership. They shut the Dems up.

[Beer and Pizza]

I wish they had this vote in the Senate. It would be great to watch the Presidential contenders squirm on this one.

[ACPlayer]

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the Iraqi Army is simply not getting ready, any time soon!

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Although the death sqads seem to be in better shape.

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So, what does that say about the state of sentiment in Iraq about the new "democracy"

[lehighguy]

Murtha's bill said something along the lines of, "as soon as is feasible". What does that mean? Try to put a rough timetable on that.

If it is just another way of saying as soon as the job is done, then there is no need to introduce the bill. If he is implying a specific timetable, he should state it.

A large majority of American's want troops to be withdrawn immediately. Why not do it proper and introduce a resolution saying as much. Apparently having majority opinion on your side isn't even enough to get Dems to take a stand.

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A large majority of American's want troops to be withdrawn immediately.


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I would be surprised if this were so.

[canis582]

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Of course it will fail.

It's a Republican "rewrite" of Murtha's bill that is specifically designed to be unacceptable.

It's a political propaganda ploy, and is not worthy of being treated as anything more.


q/q

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And the Democratic bill wasn't politics either? It's all a political game.

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The Dems are trying to keep more young boys from getting killed in a lost cause, how is that politics?

How can I say this?

History is not on our side. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/critic/feature/0,,941850,00.html)

[BluffTHIS!]

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You got to give credit to the Repub leadership. They shut the Dems up.

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They know the dems favorite tactic is to criticize without offering specific alternatives. They made a bet and the repubs came over the top and they folded like the wussies they are.

[canis582]

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You got to give credit to the Repub leadership. They shut the Dems up.

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They know the dems favorite tactic is to criticize without offering specific alternatives. They made a bet and the repubs came over the top and they folded like the wussies they are.

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Everything is poker with you.

The dems had an idea to make the president give a quarterly report on the progress made in Iraq, so the repugs stole it.

[BluffTHIS!]

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Everything is poker with you.

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And poker strategy is often very applicable to both domestic politics adn geo-political/military strategy. And this just does happen to be poker website.

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The dems had an idea to make the president give a quarterly report on the progress made in Iraq, so the repugs stole it.

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When I'm playing poker, I steal every pot I can. It's the right thing to do. And I don't try to steal from calling stations. However habitual bluffers are great targets. The repubs recongnized the dems as such a player.

[lehighguy]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

When I looked on CNN yesterday it was 70/30 in favor of pull out. This is with the same question using the "immediate" term.