flopped top set and tons of action 3-6NL UB

[pologuy64]

playing 4 handed

No true reads but both players have never been seen before and nothing speical stands out about either one. I would lean more to calling them both donkeys that will make a mistake sooner or later.

stack sizes:
sb has 400
me 1000
bb 620

I make it 27 utg with 1010 and the sb re-pops it to 50 more. bb calls as do I.

flop(231) 8 9 10 (suits r not important)
sb goes all in as expected. bb thinks for a while and just calls. Hero re-pops BB all in.

What do you all think of this play and all this action? It was really hard for me to put someone on a str8 with the preflop action. Is there anyway possible that i can fold on this flop.

[Big_Jim]

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Is there anyway possible that i can fold on this flop.

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The only way you can fold this flop is if your computer crashes and you're out of disconnect protects.

[Heimdal]

If you knew one of them had a straight you should still call.

[Allinlife]

you gotta move down if you can't insta-call in these spots

[captZEEbo1]

push unless you are trying to trap opponent somehow, but push is best

[pologuy64]

O trust me, I did insta-call. And Yes i had the best hand. I was up against 77 and KQ. Yes ladies and gentleman i said it K f'n Q. By no means was this a bad beat post, just tryin to see if there is any way i can find a fold here. I have a couple of reasons why folding mite be ok, but i douth it.

1. If i fold I will be hu with the other donkey and he will end up giving me all the money anyways.
2. I felt i had the best hand, but sometimes you have thoeses days were no matter what u have you will lose. thats how i was feeling at the time.
3. As i said, both of theses players r donkey. if the str8 is out there i would rather wait and get my money in with better odds. And Im sure there will be a oppurinty with the way theses donkeys play.

Rest of hand.
Turn J
river Q

[Allinlife]

you just contridicted your self

bad beats posts suck

[pologuy64]

not a bad beat post. Im just wondering if a fold here is possible. I do not have the nuts. There is allin and a call of that. Not a bad beat post at all....played too many hands to post bad beats, really wondering if my 3 reasons are some what justifable.

I think there is so much more to poker then just playing your hands and the best hands. I really wonder if folding is ok becasue of the 3 reasons i posted.

[ahnuld]

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not a bad beat post. Im just wondering if a fold here is possible.

No, and you know its not given size of pots and stacks.

[Big_Jim]

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1. If i fold I will be hu with the other donkey and he will end up giving me all the money anyways.

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WTF? He's giving you all his money RIGHT NOW!

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2. I felt i had the best hand, but sometimes you have thoeses days were no matter what u have you will lose. thats how i was feeling at the time.

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All you can do is get your money in with the best of it and pray. The best draw against you is a 2:1 dog.

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3. As i said, both of theses players r donkey. if the str8 is out there i would rather wait and get my money in with better odds. And Im sure there will be a oppurinty with the way theses donkeys play.

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To have the straight... villian needs QJ, J7, or 67. These hands are all incredibly unlikely.

What the hell kind of odds are you looking for? This IS the situation that you're waiting for. A chance to tripple up with at worst ~25% pot equity, and MUCH MUCH more likely 70%+ pot equity!

If you're looking for a reason to fold here, Poker is not for you.

[pologuy64]

ok I get the Point.....I am now done playing Poker for the rest of my life. GG Me,it was fun while it lasted.

[Big_Jim]

Perhaps I was a bit harsh... but you should at least seriously consider moving down in limits.

[pologuy64]

Well to be honest this is the lowest limit i play. I play 3-6Nl up to 10-20nl. I am by far a winning player. The reason for this post is the fact that i knew i was not going to win the hand. If you know your not going to win the hand which i did why not fold? the 3 reasons and the fact that i knew no matter what i was not going to win i was wondering if i could factor that into a fold. not a bad beat post, no need to move down in limits, just wondering if its ok to go with gut feeling and fold the hand.

[Big_Jim]

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the fact that i knew no matter what i was not going to win

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This statement is completely ludicrous.

[Allinlife]

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the fact that i knew no matter what i was not going to win

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This statement is completely ludicrous.

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why? he clearly had his hunch and it proved to be right.

don't mess with the results.

[LetYouDown]

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why? he clearly had his hunch and it proved to be right.

don't mess with the results.

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This...it is funny.

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the fact that i knew no matter what i was not going to win

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This statement is completely ludicrous.

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why? he clearly had his hunch and it proved to be right.

don't mess with the results.

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lollers!!1

Why do I have a hard time believing that a winning 10/20 player is trying to convince us that he should have folded with 74% equity?

[creedofhubris]

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Well to be honest this is the lowest limit i play. I play 3-6Nl up to 10-20nl. I am by far a winning player. The reason for this post is the fact that i knew i was not going to win the hand. If you know your not going to win the hand which i did why not fold? the 3 reasons and the fact that i knew no matter what i was not going to win i was wondering if i could factor that into a fold. not a bad beat post, no need to move down in limits, just wondering if its ok to go with gut feeling and fold the hand.

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If your gut feeling is a read that tells you that someone has a monster hand while your hand is middling, then it's ok to fold. But not here, where you have redraws to the nuts even if you're behind (and you're almost always ahead anyway).

If your gut feeling is a read that tells you magically what the next two cards are going to be, thus causing your nut hand to be outdrawn, then no, it's not OK to fold then.

To win at poker, you need to think in terms of EV, not results.

magic DOES exist, we've known about this for some 2000 years

[flawless_victory]

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