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Jakob
11-18-2005, 02:47 PM
***** Hand History for Game 3055124670 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:17517465 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Friday, November 18, 13:40:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 67000 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 9: keldon11 ( $2070 )
Seat 6: JHENDOMAN ( $435 )
Seat 2: Hero ( $1960 )
Seat 5: davesc ( $2515 )
Seat 4: brakeperson ( $1135 )
Seat 1: g00ner73 ( $1885 )
Trny:17517465 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9c 4d ]
brakeperson folds.
davesc folds.
JHENDOMAN is all-In [435]
keldon11 folds.
g00ner73 folds.
Hero calls [285].


I dont have the calculater thing you guys use to calculate if the potodds are right. Could you maybe link to it?
And what about the risk/reward ratio about doubling one up, or knocking one out..
I hope all this makes a little sense!

Melchiades
11-18-2005, 02:54 PM
You have 40% equity against a random hand, I assume villain is pushing any two in an unopened pot here. Getting 2.3/1 I think this is a call.

microbet
11-18-2005, 02:58 PM
Many of us are using a program and if you look at eastbay's profile you will find a link. You can search and do the ICM calculations by hand too. You can get info on that at dethgrind's web site. Easy to find on google.

You start to make these calls with crap when you are getting around 2 to 1. You are getting 660 to 285 here, so it is a little better than 2 to 1. Still, it is very close and even if he is pushing a wide range it is just about neutral $EV.

I think tending to call is correct here, but if he had passed up a couple of open pushes in late position with that tiny stack, I could fold.

RobGW
11-18-2005, 02:58 PM
Why do you need a calculator? Add the money in the pot $435+$75+$150 = $660. You need to call $285. 660/225= 2.3. Pot odds are 2.3 to 1. Usually I will call getting anything over 2 to 1 if it doesn't cripple me in the process.

Freudian
11-18-2005, 03:14 PM
I call. Your stack is healthy and you get a good price here.

tigerite
11-18-2005, 03:39 PM
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Why do you need a calculator? Add the money in the pot $435+$75+$150 = $660. You need to call $285. 660/225= 2.3. Pot odds are 2.3 to 1. Usually I will call getting anything over 2 to 1 if it doesn't cripple me in the process.

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Because ICM is not the same as pot odds.

I reckon you need to be about 38% to win here, and could go either way, probably erring towards a call, but not loving it.

tigerite
11-18-2005, 03:41 PM
I was close. 37%. Assuming, that is, you want some kind of edge (I plumped for 0.4%).

Melchiades
11-18-2005, 03:44 PM
So I guess it's really about wether villain pushes ANY two or just a pretty wide range. Any two makes it a call.

tigerite
11-18-2005, 03:46 PM
Almost, yes. Something in the region of 80%+. But it's maybe not terrible to gamble here on him having Ax, just hope he doesn't turn over TT+.

I mean, even 44-88 isn't so bad. You're a few % off, but not awfully.