Party 5/10 vs. 10/20: 2K game easier?

[AceHiStation]

Ok, so in the last week or so I've been experiencing some serious swings. I have been playing 5/10NL 6-max on Party and have been struggling. Sunday I dropped 10K playing 5/10 but was playing great poker. I have never lost to so many 2-outers, gutshots, etc. on the river. I lost a couple set over sets, two pairs vs. top pair allin on the flop getting rivered, basically, flush draws going allin on my overpair and hitting... it was bad. I somehow didn't tilt too bad. I may have tilted 1.5 buyins at most. I decided since I was playing so well, I would take a shot at 10/20 even though I was down $10K. I played for an hour and made $5K back and went to sleep. Monday I had a +7.2K session at 5/10, Tuesday had a break-even session, and yesterday I winded up dropping 8K at 5/10, again to mostly beats. I couldn't win a 60/40, 70/30 to save my life, it was bad. So once again, I move up to 10/20 and just start winning these hands off the biggest donks. The shortstacks go all-in with ANY ace, and then when my kicker(9) beats them, they show me A6o as if to say "See, I had a big hand". Finished my Wednesday 10/20 session up ~4K, and still made a few bad calls/plays.

I guess what I'm getting at, am I just getting lucky with my timing? Are people being aggressive with me because they know I'm a new player to the limits? I heard someone once say, build up a bankroll from 3/6, and skip 5/10 cause the 10/20 game is a bit easier, although everyone on the forums seems to think otherwise. Just thought I'd open up a little discussion on the differences, i.e. more fish vs. less fish, bigger fish vs. smaller fish, more aggressive vs. more passive players.

I'll leave you all with the donk play of the night, and it wasn't an image play cause the guy left the table immediately after the hand.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB ($2281.25)
UTG ($1451)
UTG+1 ($799)
UTG+2 ($1740.30)
MP1 ($897)
MP2 ($2000)
MP3 ($1208)
Hero ($4159)
Button ($1970)
SB ($1129)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls $20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $20, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $95</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $260</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1113 (All-In), Hero calls $948.

Flop: ($2486) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($2486) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($2486) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $2486

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP3 has 9h 6h (one pair, sixes).
Hero has Kc Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $2486. </font>

the 10-20 and the 5-10 are both hard games, and, IMO neither one is much easier or harder than the other, so, I reccomend playing the one that is right for your BR.



Tex

[Jonny]

The 10-20 is much harder than the 5-10 IMO. The reason for this is that players will call you on the flop with nothing when you are out of position and take it away from you on the turn. They are much more agressive in 10-20 as well.

Neither game is a cakewalk though.

[punter11235]

That was my first thoughts too when I tried 2kNL.
Many respected posters here say that 2k is harder more aggressive etc. so I decided to stay at 1k for w while (a while = at least 60k and probably 100k hands).
Assuming I would move up to 2k (I have enough bankroll) and 4table full tables I would need a winrate slightly above 5PTBB/100 to match my hourly rate at 1k (6tabling 6max).
Now I know it wont be easy if at all doable + the games are more aggressive and swings are bigger. So I am not sure moving up is worth it (at least for me).

Best wishes

[Matt Flynn]

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The 10-20 is much harder than the 5-10 IMO. The reason for this is that players will call you on the flop with nothing when you are out of position and take it away from you on the turn. They are much more agressive in 10-20 as well.

Neither game is a cakewalk though.

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My hierarchy is 5-10 6-max harder than 10-20 10-max harder than 5-10 10-max. You get a lot more danving shorthanded. Profitability is roughly the same order with the first two essentially tied.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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The 10-20 is much harder than the 5-10 IMO. The reason for this is that players will call you on the flop with nothing when you are out of position and take it away from you on the turn. They are much more agressive in 10-20 as well.

Neither game is a cakewalk though.

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My hierarchy is 5-10 6-max harder than 10-20 10-max harder than 5-10 10-max. You get a lot more danving shorthanded. Profitability is roughly the same order with the first two essentially tied.

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You think 5/10 6max is hard? What? I'm really confused. I admit I didn't play in it much and I played on skins and not Party. But the same guys were playing in it that I've been killing at 2/4 6max for months. They are not good. At all.

[turnipmonster]

I was surprised by this as well. my limited exp in the 10/20 full is that it's much harder than 5/10 6max. I hate playing full though.

[punter11235]

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You think 5/10 6max is hard?

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TWP you are yet to see 2k donks...

[Yeti]

All the 2k games are harder than all the 1k games.
The 2k short is much harder than the 2k full.

The End.

[greg nice]

more aggressive games always SEEM softer in isolation. how many times have people commented on the 25/50 and 50/100 UB games being that way?

[yvesaint]

does anyone have anything to comment on stars games? i see a lot of the same donks that play 400 NL play 5/10 full-ring, yet i kick their butts repeatedly at 400 NL

wish i had the roll for 5/10 though

ive also been obsing the 10/20 full-ring games on stars, it seems like a lot of the same people with maybe 1-3 fish at each table ... though im sure a lot of those "same people" are losers in the long run

[James282]

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[James282]

Deleted, posted some hands from you in my DB but someone told me that was in poor taste, so PM me if you want to know what they were(or if you want me to post them and others can chime in as well).
-James

[yvesaint]

apparently the limit forum still does not know how to properly use the converter

For a long time I played 5/10 6 max on Party successfully, I then took a long run of bad beats that nearly killed my bankroll. I have many observations and PT info that says that the 3/6 and 5/10 nl 6 max are easier and looser games than the 2/4 nl on party, which i think consists of primarily nutsetters. If the 10/20 nl on party is weaker than the 5/10 it is for one important reason: Many fish with lots of money want to play the absolute highest stakes possible, that is why this summer the weakest game on the net (with high stakes) was the Party 5/10 nl, which has perhaps migrated to the 10/20 nl, just because the higher the stakes attract the bigger fish, becuase many people are looking for the highest nl games. This is similar to watching the chumps on the high limit games... people with huge bankrolls and money to gamble will play the highest stakes possible. That's my explanation.

For what it is worth, I believe the 5/10 NL full ring on PP is much softer than the 10/20 NL full ring.

It is weird how this works, you would expect them to be similar, but they are not.

Unfortunately there are usually only 1 or 2 games going of 5/10 full ring.

[AdamBragar]

Maybe you are better at full table vs. six max? I don't think there's a big enough difference in competition to make up for a difference in skill in playing full table versus short handed.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

The 2K game is much tougher-far fewer fish of the "spew all their chips with nothing" variety and far more players capable of changing gears, calling to steal, 3-barrel bluffing, etc.

[fsuplayer]

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All the 2k games are harder than all the 1k games.
The 2k short is much harder than the 2k full.

The End.

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what he said.

[Jonny]

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All the 2k games are harder than all the 1k games.
The 2k short is much harder than the 2k full.

The End.

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what he said.

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[Brock Landers]

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For a long time I played 5/10 6 max on Party successfully, I then took a long run of bad beats that nearly killed my bankroll. I have many observations and PT info that says that the 3/6 and 5/10 nl 6 max are easier and looser games than the 2/4 nl on party , which i think consists of primarily nutsetters. If the 10/20 nl on party is weaker than the 5/10 it is for one important reason: Many fish with lots of money want to play the absolute highest stakes possible, that is why this summer the weakest game on the net (with high stakes) was the Party 5/10 nl, which has perhaps migrated to the 10/20 nl, just because the higher the stakes attract the bigger fish, becuase many people are looking for the highest nl games. This is similar to watching the chumps on the high limit games... people with huge bankrolls and money to gamble will play the highest stakes possible. That's my explanation.

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So because I kill the PP $400 game (6 max), I'm one of the best players on Party??? Awesome, I knew Mom was right!

[IHateCats]

I'll second this as well. While you do get the occasional big fish who wanders in, donates 3-5k and is never heard from again, most of the time the average 2k table has 4-6 tough regulars who would all be crushing at the 1k tables. The SH 2k specialists to fish ratio is especially high lately.

[Matt Flynn]

My point was you will see significantly more hard core bluffing in 6-max and thus need to learn to play poker. You will also be put to more tough decisions per 100 hands than in 10-20 or 5-10 10-handed. More of the time neither player will have anything.

In terms of earn relative to the BB, I think 5-10 6-max is easiest due to the higher current donkspew factor. That does not mean 10-20 10-max doesn't have its share of players who have no chance in the medium run.

Matt

[flawless_victory]

the 5/10 is much easier.
10/20 is very beatable for good plyrs, but mediocre plyrs who are clear winners in 1K6max will get killed in 2KSH.

[Sponger15SB]

So uh, why hasn't everyone moved down to 5/10 6max? It seems from the comments in this thread that you can make more money per hour there.

[flawless_victory]

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So uh, why hasn't everyone moved down to 5/10 6max? It seems from the comments in this thread that you can make more money per hour there.

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the best players on party can def make more in the bigger game, but just cause you are a winner in the 2K does not mean you wouldnt win more in the 1K.

[AZK]

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All the 2k games are harder than all the 1k games.
The 2k short is much harder than the 2k full.

The End.

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