Unusual Hand vs. Allen Cunningham

[AJo Go All In]

Foxwoods 10k.

31 players left. The dealer starts dealing the cards and then floorman calls out "10 minute break." Immediately everyone gets up and leaves the table except for you and Allen Cunningham. Cunningham is on the button and you're in the big blind.

Both of you are confused and ask the dealer if the hand counts, the dealer confirms as you suspected that yes, the hand does count, and all the hands are dead except for yours and Allen's.

Okay, now, think. You know what has happened and you know that Allen knows and you know that Allen knows that you know and so on. The blinds are 3k/6k with a 1k ante, you have about 100k and Allen has about 500k. There is a $6,900 difference between 31st place and 30th.

Questions:

1. You don't say a word to Allen and just stare at him while he's looking at his cards.
a. Say Allen makes a standard raise to 20k. What range of hands do you move in/reraise with? What range do you call?
b. Say Allen pushes all-in. What range of hands do you call with?
c. Say Allen limps. What range of hands do you make a standard raise with? What range do you move in with?

2. This time you say "No shame in folding here Allen, I haven't looked but I'm liable to move in on you here," and he smiles and says "Yeah, you might be right" before looking at his cards.
Repeat questions a-c.

[JaBlue]

Is it legal to chop it?

[DONTUSETHIS]

This is way out of my league but I will take a shot:

A. I think this has the tightest range becuase of the odds that the pot will be offering Allen to call you I would say A10+ and 66+

B. I think the same answers apply for B & C because for C if you raise and he puts you all in you will be getting almost 2 to 1 to call and have too much of your stack in the middle to fold if you were playing too win I think.
If he limps I would push with 44+ and KQ+. Maybe my thinking is wrong, but like I said this is way out of my league and I also think this is a tricky spot because of the pot odds that will come up for either person if thier is a raise and a reraise.

[AJo Go All In]

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Is it legal to chop it?

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I'm not sure if this is a joke, but no, it's not.

We're playing for big money here, buddy.

[sirio11]

Versus Allen I don't think it makes a difference if you say a word.

a) If he raises, I'm pushing with any pair, any ace, any broadway. I'm calling with AA-QQ.

b) This is just not Allen, he's not pusing all in, but in the case he do it, I'm calling just with AA-88, AJ-AK.

c) If he limps, I make a standard raise with AA-JJ, AK-AJ and a bigger raise or probably all in with a large range of hands from a).

[durron597]

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any broadway.

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Just to clarify - do you mean any two broadway or any broadway (including hands like J2 etc.)

[betgo]

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any broadway.

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Just to clarify - do you mean any two broadway or any broadway (including hands like J2 etc.)

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What do you think? Push with the Brunson T2o.

[AJo Go All In]

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Versus Allen I don't think it makes a difference if you say a word.

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You are probably right, but I'm not absolutely sure. I can see arguments both that saying something will make him think that I'm actually liable to move in, or also that he'll think I'll never push in a million years. I had only played with him for about an hour in the whole tournament, so I have no reason to think that he respects me as a player enough to not pay attention to what I say and how I conduct myself.

that was my question. how long had you been playing with him. (also, im assuming the stated prize difference means nothing to yourself or allen). if he pushed, i would call with any pair down to 77, any A down to A-9, and prob KQ. If he limps, id standard raise with AA-88, AK-AJ.

[A_PLUS]

I have never played with Allen, but I assuming he would be very aggressive here. I am also assuming my table image (you know....awesome)

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Questions:

1. You don't say a word to Allen and just stare at him while he's looking at his cards.
a. Say Allen makes a standard raise to 20k. What range of hands do you move in/reraise with? What range do you call?
Call - AA-QQ (maybe JJ)
Jam - 66+, ATs+, AJo, KQs


b. Say Allen pushes all-in. What range of hands do you call with?

AQ+, 88+

c. Say Allen limps. What range of hands do you make a standard raise with? What range do you move in with?

Raise: AA-TT, AJ+
Jam: 55-99, A7s, ATo, KQo, KJs, QJs, 87s+

2. This time you say "No shame in folding here Allen, I haven't looked but I'm liable to move in on you here," and he smiles and says "Yeah, you might be right" before looking at his cards.
Repeat questions a-c.


I really dont know enough about him to judge if he would get more or less agro here, interesting though


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[EverettKings]

Obviously Allen knows that he looks suspicious if he opens the pot. He has a pretty big stack though and can play with you a little bit to see what happens. I'd expect him to open limp a pretty good range of hands here, and open raise typical raising hands and stuff like A6o that don't dance as well on flops.

So if he open raises to 20k, I like sirio's push range. If for example Allen opened with A8o and you pushed, I think he'd be calling. I also think that A8 is about his margin (he'd fold K5o and weaker stuff that he'd open with). So any ace, broadway, etc seems about right. I'd throw in 45s-87s type stuff too.

Smooth call QQ+ definitely but... what will Allen make of a smooth call? He'll probably put you on a solid hand since you just put 1/5 of your stack in play. I might mix in some calls with stuff like J9 and checkraise all in on a flop that I liked. If you had a few more chips I might like calling with drawing hands like 75s so I could checkraise all in on a draw and have enough FE to make it profitable, but here if he leads its probably for 30k and an 80k push may not quite do the trick.

If he open limps then it gets trickier. I'd probably raise with a comparable range to sirio but I'd consider checking in a big pair and leading out the flop and hoping for a raise. I think Allen will put you to the test lots of times when you open like that. With most hands Id just check it in and check the flop and go from there, as the pot's still small and you don't have to get involved yet.

Mostly rambling, but I think you can have some fun with this.

Everett

[ZootMurph]

You basically have to play this like you were headsup (because you are, LOL). Decide how you'd play against him if you were the last two left at the final table.

In this particular situation, I'd basically call a small raise (3xBB or less) without even looking at my cards, watching him the whole time. Then I'd check the flop blind and see what he does. I think you make it a LITTLE more difficult on him not giving him any reads. If he just calls, I'd raise him, no matter what two cards I was holding. If he makes a big enough raise (over the standard 3x, or whatever has been the standard raise at the table), I'm either folding or pushing, since I'm out of position and outchipped by a lot. So, it's AA-QQ and AKs I'm pushing with. I'm folding everything else and saying "I'm hungry, so I'll let you have it this time (with a big smile on my face)."

[Jason Strasser]

I'm thinking that the more you talk, the more likely he is to raise. I think sitting there just looking at him, he's more likely to look down at pure trash, and fold it. I really think, though, that most of the time whatever you decide to do he's going to call or raise, and that you ought to be using a wider range than sirio's in almost all cases, but I'm not sure how wide.

-Jason

[Jason Strasser]

I also don't like smooth call very much if he's seen you play for more than 10 minutes, Al.

-Jason

[ansky451]

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I also don't like smooth call very much if he's seen you play for more than 10 minutes, Al.

-Jason

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Because Cunningham is so good post flop, or because of something about AJs style? I don't get it.

[Eric P]

why would you just smooth call against such a skilled and experienced opponent? What are you going to trap him? what about when an ace comes. He is a wealthy professional tournament player who is also very good at cash games, and has been on the biggest stage a lot over the years, and more importantly, a lot recently. This hand is not nearly as intimidating to him as it is to us (i'm not down-talking anyone, i'm just assuming that he has more experience by a longshot) and there is no reason to let him outplay us. If he opens to 20k and you look down at QQ not going all in is a terrible play almost always

[Jason Strasser]

No, because if cunningham raises and Al pushes he'll be getting a decent price on his money and is also likely to call with a decent range of hands because Al tends to be very active at the table.

[flawless_victory]

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any broadway.

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Just to clarify - do you mean any two broadway or any broadway (including hands like J2 etc.)

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he means any "20"

[coltrane]

you should've deadpan said, "if you put any money into that pot, I'm moving in in the dark", and then seen what he did...(or maybe that's kind of what you meant with your comment).....if he then moves in, I think you gotta give him credit for a hand - or at least credit for out-coffeehousing you....