(Stars $27 turbo) What would you have done?

[bawcerelli]

PokerStars Game #3081184722: Tournament #15229119, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/11/17 - 05:38:19 (ET)
Table '15229119 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: SANDRA88 (920 in chips)
Seat 2: tørrpinnen (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: SUGER SHANE (2280 in chips)
Seat 4: mikas_pot (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: caddy96596 (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: pizbo1 (1360 in chips)
Seat 7: RABBIRAGE (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: gentleman55 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Quality777 (1500 in chips)
mikas_pot: posts small blind 10
caddy96596: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gentleman55 [Qs Qc]
pizbo1: raises 20 to 40
RABBIRAGE: folds
gentleman55: raises 100 to 140
Quality777: folds
SANDRA88: folds
tørrpinnen: calls 140
SUGER SHANE: calls 140
mikas_pot: folds
caddy96596: folds
pizbo1: raises 100 to 240

[Sciolist]

It really comes down to what you have seen of UTG's play before. Min raising UTG indicates a strong hand for some players, or abject stupidity for others.

Based on the fact that there was a reraise THEN two callers, I am going to go with abject stupidity here. UTG's min re-raise isn't going to thin the field, and you really don't want to have 4 players seeing the flop with AA.

Therefore, I'm going to reraise to thin the field, and I'll accept it and call if he puts me all-in, expecting AK, AQ or something like JJ.

I'd be quite surprised if either of the cold callers comes along. As there're already two people in the pot, trap-calling with AA or KK doesn't make a lot of sense for the first caller, and even less for the second. I think this pot is between you and UTG.

Wow.

That just *reeks* of aces. Seriously.

I'd probably.. uhh.. push i guess. Yuck.

[bawcerelli]

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Based on the fact that there was a reraise THEN two callers, I am going to go with abject stupidity here. UTG's min re-raise isn't going to thin the field, and you really don't want to have 4 players seeing the flop with AA.

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if he's stupid, how does he know he shouldn't let 3 others see the flop?

[Sciolist]

Because people who don't know that slowplay the whole way, they don't min raise. I'm pretty confident that you're good here.

Really?

Minraises always scare the crap outta me. With a marginal hand people are content to call, and it's not really enough to bluff someone out of a pot with. So it seems to me that more than 50% of the time it's a big hand.

I push, and wouldn't be surprised to see AA. But what a crummy spot. Folding is horrible, calling is super-weak and only helps you if you hit a Q, raising pot-commits you and pushing runs the risk of AA. This spot blows.

[durron597]

He has AA, but the other guys aren't folding for 100 more either. Call and check-fold if you don't hit a set.

[Sciolist]

I'd certainly be thinking AA if he had reraised a reasonable amount instead of minimum. If someone's got the plan of min raising UTG, wouldn't they then reraise a decent amount when given the chance? Putting in the extra min raise just makes me think he's not got much of an idea of what he's doing, and that his UTG raise was probably AK, AQ, JJ, TT...

[Sciolist]

Maybe this is why I'm not a millionaire player :]

I either fold and watch 99 and KTs both go all-in or go all-in and get called by AA. I'm not sure which is more frustrating, but I do know I'm more likely to be playing the next hand when I fold.

[IdiotVig]

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I either fold and watch 99 and KTs both go all-in or go all-in and get called by AA. I'm not sure which is more frustrating, but I do know I'm more likely to be playing the next hand when I fold.

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Do you really see a push behind here? That's a pretty strange line for either player who's yet to act. It seems more likely that it'll cost you 100 to gain 660-860, which should warrant a call for set value, at least.

I guess I have more faith in the value of my hand for a cheap reraise than I do in passive-then-laggy behavior behind me.

I think I'd call for set value. This should be very easy to get away from postflop.

I meant only that you often see some really strange things happen on the first few hands of a SNG, even in the $27s.

[bluefeet]

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He has AA, but the other guys aren't folding for 100 more either. Call and check-fold if you don't hit a set.

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too early/hard to discredit the AA. way monster pot - unlikely to get pushed over from behind. i'd piss away another 100chips for a miracle flop looking at 1,000 shiney coins in the middle.

[pokerlaw]

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He has AA, but the other guys aren't folding for 100 more either. Call and check-fold if you don't hit a set.

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yeah, this seems about right.

[bawcerelli]

I folded. i should have called for set value. both of the other callers called. flop came down three unders to my QQ. UTG bet out and 1 of callers called. brick turn, bet, call. brick river, bet, call. UTG showed AKo, caller showed 66 for a pair of 6's and the pot. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

You folded?! Yuck.

Although I'm folding to any action on a non-Q flop.

[bawcerelli]

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You folded?! Yuck.

Although I'm folding to any action on a non-Q flop.

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yeah, dumb move by me, especially if i hit i've got great implied odds.

[Bill Poker]

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if he's stupid, how does he know he shouldn't let 3 others see the flop?

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I have seen lots of donks playing AA this way