10/20 puke

[Poldi]

UTG is a real loose-passive, like 63/0/0.3
SB is 20/14/2.7

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (21 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero folds..

[Nietzsche]

What do you put UTG on? I don't see a hand with a 7 play the turn and river this way.

[Poldi]

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What do you put UTG on? I don't see a hand with a 7 play the turn and river this way.

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Its pretty unlikely either of them has a 7 and they probably think the same with all the action. Considering the action I am sure I am beat on the river. The pot is HUGE but I have to call "at least" 2 to see a showdown and my hand really doesnt look good anymore.
I´m pretty sure one of them has a higher set, but the only ones possible are KK for SB and 99 for UTG with a really loose flop action (but I think he might be capable of it).
I dont see a hand that UTG plays this way that I beat, maybe 66 but then there is still SB.
Actually I dont think I am good more than 1% on the river.
0.3 AF is really passive and SB wasnt nuts either.

[aba20]

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What do you put UTG on? I don't see a hand with a 7 play the turn and river this way.

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When a 63/0/.3 raises the river I will guarentee that they have the straight. This is so passive that they will call anything with almost no hand.

[me454555]

I think you can put in one more bet on the turn. Sb likely has AK, KQ, AA and passive utg would cap the turn if he had the strait. I think your river play is fine given the raise by UTG

[Nietzsche]

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I dont see a hand that UTG plays this way that I beat, maybe 66 but then there is still SB.


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I'm curious what he had because I can't see how the T helped him.

flush draw with the 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif or Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gif?

[Nietzsche]

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flush draw with the 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif or Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gif?

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Not impossible but I think with a postflop aggression factor of 0.3 he is too passive for that.

[Grisgra]

The river fold against someone this passive . . . this isn't a strategy post, this is a bad beat post in disguise.

I'm curious as to why you didn't cap the turn. You don't think you're good at least 40% of the time?

[Nietzsche]

Passives practically never overplay flops but curiously enough they don't always evaluate hand strength that well on the river and will sometimes be too aggressive with two pair despite being told it isn't enough. Probably not the case here, just a general observation.

[aba20]

Any results?

My guess is UTG had T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. But if he is real bad then maybe T7o.

[whodaman]

cap the turn. SB's only logical hand that has you beat is KK and he could easily have AA or AK. UTG raise is a concern but he could easily have Kx for two pair.
The river fold looks good.

[Poldi]

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The river fold against someone this passive . . . this isn't a strategy post, this is a bad beat post in disguise.

I'm curious as to why you didn't cap the turn. You don't think you're good at least 40% of the time?

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Its not just about the river fold, I was interested in the turn, too. Seeing that you disagree with my turn play is enough to make me think it was good to post this hand.
On the turn I just didnt raise because UTG´s raise after the flop cap indicated so much strength that I just wanted to get it to showdown. I m not sure but reraising looks good, there really are not many hands that beat me here, KK is kinda unlikely even for the LP (I guess he would raise it, I only had like 70 hands on him so he probably didnt get a premium so far) and 99 would be really loose on the flop.

[aba20]

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UTG raise is a concern but he could easily have Kx for two pair.

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I highly doubt this. When someone is a 60/0/.3 they are only raising with the nuts or very close to it.

[Poldi]

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Any results?

My guess is UTG had T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. But if he is real bad then maybe T7o.

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UTG had 66, interesting that such a LP raised the 4straight river after all the action without having it.
SB had KK, called the river raise and took it down.

All 3 of us flopped a set /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[aba20]

I was defenitly wrong then...