Trying to get a PLO game going at Lucky Chances?

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

I am trying to get a regular PLO game going at Lucky Chances in Colma/San Francisco. Are there any players here that are interested? If so, go down there and sign up on the board. Or call it in.

What structure should it be? I talked to the manager there and she was clueless about what the structure should be. I was thinking 2/4 blinds with a 80-min/300-max buy-in. This should be a small enough structure to sustain a decent game for quite a while but big enough to make it interesting.

I heard that there used to be a regular game like 2 or 3 years ago, but it dried up. I heard it had 5/10 blinds with a big buyin.

Thoughts?

Bigs

[Spellmen]

For me $300 would be a far too small for the max buy in. The live games I have played in have always been pretty deep stacked (not live Omaha) so I think you would need at least a $400 max (100bb) although I think $800 would be very nice.

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

I'm thinking that we need to keep the max buy-in lower so that we can keep the game going for a while. If the max is too high, that reduces the number of people willing to give the game a try. Who wants to buyin for $80 or $100 when the rest of the table has huge stacks of $800? The reason the previous game died out was that the live ones went broke so fast.

[beset7]

also casino management may be more open to a game with a small stack structure. the slower people go bust the more rake is paid. you might want to x-post this in b&m.

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

How do you cross post? I posted the same topic in B&M already but they are two separate threads. Can you do that for me as moderator?

[Tilt]

If you add a cap (max 1 hand loss) that will keep the game going longer and make the house happier.

[beset7]

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How do you cross post? I posted the same topic in B&M already but they are two separate threads. Can you do that for me as moderator?

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I apologize. Apparently there isn't any real way to cross-post. Just have to make 2 threads like you did.

[Acesover8s]

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Who wants to buyin for $80 or $100 when the rest of the table has huge stacks of $800?

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This mindset always confuses me. Although I have heard it frequently, "I'm not going to play if some jerk is going to buyin for a bunch of money and just bully the table"

In a cash game, the short stacked player has a pretty decent advantage over a large stacked player. The reason to buy in for a large stack is to cover poorly-playing large stacked opponents.

Either way, most of your big PLO players are people with way too much money and too much gamble. I can't imagine many of those players being happy in a capped buyin game.

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

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Who wants to buyin for $80 or $100 when the rest of the table has huge stacks of $800?

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This mindset always confuses me. Although I have heard it frequently, "I'm not going to play if some jerk is going to buyin for a bunch of money and just bully the table"

In a cash game, the short stacked player has a pretty decent advantage over a large stacked player. The reason to buy in for a large stack is to cover poorly-playing large stacked opponents.

Either way, most of your big PLO players are people with way too much money and too much gamble. I can't imagine many of those players being happy in a capped buyin game.

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I agree that to have a short stack is an advantage in some regards, but most people don't want to be set in every time they see a flop (even though this is less frequent in pot limit).

And the point of the game is to make it a somewhat small buyin, to keep the game going and attract players who want to learn and play the game. Myself and management aren't as concerned with attracting the big $$ players, they can always open another 3/6 hold'em game.

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

Does anyone think that casino management is making a mistake if they don't allow this game to start? I think that they lose a good game that might last forever, just to cash in on the hold'em craze.

I guess they might be too lazy to educate their floor and dealers on how to run PLO. Pot-limit is a bit confusing for most of those new and old dealers, and the players will basically have to police the game themselves (regarding bet sizes).

I really think this is one of those games that can run through the night and make them money during the graveyard shift.

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

There are two names on the board as of this morning, let's keep it up!

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

Stupid Lucky Chances erased all the names. Screw em. Everyone play at Artichoke Joe's.

[RoundersRocks!]

I don't think max buy-in is such a big factor in PLO, due to it's pot-limit nature. I was recently in Vienna at the Concord Card Room and they had a big PLO game going there. No Max Buy-in, no minimum buy-in. No Small Blind either, just a 2 euro blind. Funnest casino game I ever played in.

Casino acton is going to be very loose on this game no matter how you cap it, that is why people like it. If you want to set one up at Lucky chance or Artichokes, post it to the board or PM me and I will come. I'd kill for an omaha game in this city.

[gergery]

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Stupid Lucky Chances erased all the names. Screw em. Everyone play at Artichoke Joe's.

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I was at LC this past Saturday and asked the floor about a PLO game. He looked at me like I was from England or something and said not a chance.

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[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

They are afraid to spread a game that is requested just to keep cashing in on this small NLHE craze that will die down in a year once the fish realize 50 or 60 bucks here or there ends up costing them $3000+ /year? When are they gonna learn that a small PLO game like this can be a big money maker especially if it is a game that will run through the night?

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

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Stupid Lucky Chances erased all the names. Screw em. Everyone play at Artichoke Joe's.

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I was at LC this past Saturday and asked the floor about a PLO game. He looked at me like I was from England or something and said not a chance.

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I guess it's not even worth the effort to ever try to start a game that's not Hold'em.

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

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I don't think max buy-in is such a big factor in PLO, due to it's pot-limit nature. I was recently in Vienna at the Concord Card Room and they had a big PLO game going there. No Max Buy-in, no minimum buy-in. No Small Blind either, just a 2 euro blind. Funnest casino game I ever played in.

Casino acton is going to be very loose on this game no matter how you cap it, that is why people like it. If you want to set one up at Lucky chance or Artichokes, post it to the board or PM me and I will come. I'd kill for an omaha game in this city.

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Nice post. I wish more larger card rooms in the US would spread a variety of games, not just HE.