spitting midhigh

[astroglide]

i'm intentionally not posting this as a poll because the responses should be coupled with reasons and names.
the subject of splitting the midhigh forum has risen in the moderator forum.

suggestion 1: split into 2 forums, 'mid stakes' and 'high stakes'

suggestion 2: split into 2 forums, 'midhigh casino' and 'midhigh internet'

which do you favor, and why?

[baronzeus]

are the limits 30/60+ and 25/50- for "high" and "mid"

[Dynasty]

2+2 used to have both a mid-limit and high-limit forum. When they were combined, I think it improved the quality of discussion.

This forum has not had a lot of activity as of late. Or, at least, it does not have many new posts each day compared to the past. So, I'm skeptical that breaking up the forum will create more discussion.

[1800GAMBLER]

I don't really favour a split. Discussion is slow and most people already know which posters post live hands, which ones post 50/100+ and which post 15/30 and read them.

[TStoneMBD]

to be honest im not entirely sure if the discussion here should really be pertinent to the decision on splitting the forum. the people who post in this forum are 30/60+ players so many wouldnt be concerned with the outcome of this decision. thats not to say that the opinions of the posters here are irrelevant. there are alot of good minds on this forum coupled with alot of good judgment.

i have personally not posted 15/30 and 20/40 hands in this forum because i feel its unfair to the other posters, but if people prefer that the forums remain unsplit then ill start posting those hands here.

[sthief09]

I think the limits should be enforced stronger. there are too many 15/30 hands which I don't think is/should be considered middle limit

[mscags]

I think splitting wouldn't do a lot of good for the people like myself who post mainly 15-30 and other mid limit hands. I don't really see a reason to split up the two forums honestly. There isn't a lot of traffic as of late.

Scags

[skp]

First off, inquiring minds want to know who is the moderator of the moderators' forum?...heh

I am with Dynasty that we don't need a split bewteen mid limits and high limits. It was tried before and I believe the subsequent merger has proved to be useful.

The split between midhigh casino and midhigh internet makes more sense. The two games are like comparing apples with oranges.

The differences are many - both from a strategy standpoint (eg. Default river calls on the net are often default folds in live play) and from a posting standpoint (eg. online play deals with VPIP, PFR and TA stats as opposed to live play which depends more on subjective reads, tells, image, tilt factor etc.).

Besides, there are a lot of posts on midhigh right now that are simply of no interest to the live player eg. who's the best online player, what's an achievable bb/100 figure etc.

Incidentally, didn't they used to have a "Brick and Mortar" forum. I have no idea what the hell they talked about over there as I never went to it. I ask in case a split along the lines suggested in your scenario 2 will only duplicate the failed "B & M" forum experiment.

[Lawrence Ng]

Number 2 for me.

I think there are enough differences between the games online and live, and I do not mean just the physical differences, that would justify a split here.

I guess there would also be some integration with the B&M sub forum if we split this up which I would particuarly like. Hopefully it would generate discussion about mid-high stakes in cardrooms and to an extent what the games are like in the different cardrooms.

I also pay far more attention to the B&M posts of mid/high games than that of the online version.

Thanks

Lawrence

[Jeffage]

I personally post both Internet and live hands. If there were a ton of posts on this forum, I'd agree with the split. But the traffic is light and I don't think there is enough volume to justify a split. Plus I think the eclectic mix of posts make it an interesting read. I personally wish people would talk more "situationally" then "pokertracker" when discussing hands, but as times change, I have to change with them I suppose. It's a close decision, but I'd like to keep it as it is.

Jeff

[CardSharpCook]

While it might be nice for 15-30 to have a more comfortable home, as Dynasty suggested, this forum doesn't have a lot of traffic anyway.

FWIW, I think that 10/20 through 30-60 should be considered mid, all else high. To suggest that 10/20 and 15/30 belong in SS is a little silly. People playing 10/20 are making $50-$200 an hour, that isn't small stakes by any strech of the imagination.

[bobbyi]

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there are too many 15/30 hands which I don't think is/should be considered middle limit

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This is exactly the motivation here. I think describing the proposal as “splitting midhigh” is very misleading and I agree that if that were what was proposed it would be a questionable idea. But that isn’t the goal. The real goal is take what today is two forums—small and midhigh—and turn it into three forums: small, mid and high. Today’s midhigh forum would be very similar to the new “high” forum. It would be roughly for online 30/60 and up and for higher live games (the exact limits would need to be agreed upon by the community). Most people who today post here would probably now post in “high” and be relatively unaffected by the change.

The new mid forum would be roughly for 10/20 through 20/40 limits. Today, these limits are mostly posted in small stakes alongside 2/4 hands, but 2/4 and 15/30 really don’t (in my opinion) belong in the same forum. Really, 15/30 hands have no home today. They aren’t welcome by many in the midhigh forum (as Josh’s comment suggests) and they are somewhat out of place in the small stakes forum. I think it makes sense to have a forum in between small stakes and this one and I think there is enough traffic to support the three forums (micro limits would presumably be unaffected by the change so isn’t really in the discussion). In practice, I think the effect of the change would be much closer to splitting small stakes than splitting this forum.

[Dave Mac]

I have mixed feelings, I don't post that much because I feel like for the most part the forum has been slow and uninterestering and a lot of the hands seem to stress the same ideas. however, if you do want to split the forum i think it should be something like 15-30 to 30-60, esp all party hands, and all 15-30 and 20-40 casino hands.
then the second forum would be online 50-100 and above and casino from about 30-60/40-80 and up. i think that the 30 and 40 casino hands are very boarderline, and it depends a lot on the game and the post and everything. however, i also think that the bottom line is the forum is to learn, not strengently enforce what limits can be posted and what cannot. it would be very stupid to take a good meanful post that we could learn from and moving or deleting it because it is not in the correct forum etc. so i guess i am saying that a split is fine, break it up into bascailly smaller casino games and party hands. and then big games everywhere, online and casino. but, the mods for the various forums should be juditicous about moving and locking threads.
dave

[ike]

For internet games, I think the difference between 30/60 and higher levels is greater than the difference between 30/60 and lower levels. I'd put 30/60 in mid. I think the only 40/80 game on the net is paradise and it could go either way. 50/100 is definetly high.

[bobbyi]

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First off, inquiring minds want to know who is the moderator of the moderators' forum?...heh

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Mat Sklansky

[ihardlyknowher]

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I think the limits should be enforced stronger. there are too many 15/30 hands which I don't think is/should be considered middle limit

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At least for the online games, this seems like an illogical place to split, since most of the players in the 15 game also play in the 20 and vice versa.

[bobbyi]

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suggestion 2: split into 2 forums, 'midhigh casino' and 'midhigh internet'

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As many have stated, I don't think there is enough traffic on midhigh to justify this. It is perfectly capable of supporting both live and online games as it does today, so I don't see the problem with having them in the same forum. I don't think this same objection holds for suggestion 1 because it is more akin to a split of small stakes than a split of mid stakes since I would guess (completely unscientific guess without asking the parties I mention) that it would attract threads like the jason_t/entity/tstone discussions that correctly live in small stakes.

[private joker]

I stated this in Small Stakes, but I'll repeat it here.

I think it's best to not create another new forum, but to push 2/4 down into micro-limit, make SS go from 3/6 to 15/30, and put 20/40 and up in mid-high.

Since live 15/30 plays like online 3/6, this isn't such a bad idea.

[Lawrence Ng]

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First off, inquiring minds want to know who is the moderator of the moderators' forum?...heh

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Commudus

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FYP /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Lawrence

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I stated this in Small Stakes, but I'll repeat it here.

I think it's best to not create another new forum, but to push 2/4 down into micro-limit, make SS go from 3/6 to 15/30, and put 20/40 and up in mid-high.

Since live 15/30 plays like online 3/6, this isn't such a bad idea.

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I think that many people will just continue to use their respective forums anyway. We have for example 10/20 hands in micro limits sometimes and 3/6 hands every day. And I see 15/30 live hands in midhigh. I guess people post in the forums they get responses and feel comfortable in.

[Ulysses]

I think the more appropriate split is online/casino. However, I think the real problem is not limits, it is quality of posts. This is an espcially big problem w/ the online posts, where there are people playing mid-high yet still making boring, almost beginner-level, posts. Perhaps splitting up the forums as mid and high would help this out a little. Dunno.

[astroglide]

i don't want 15/30 here either, but it's because those hands rate to be waste-of-space hand history dumps.

how many of you would be upset with a well-crafted hand from a 20/40 casino session, and think that it had no place here? i would welcome it, and it's not because of the limit.

bobby's point about suggestion 1 not being a "total split" is a good one. but if people don't want to see the posts simply because they suck, aren't we spanking the wrong baby by simply separating the limits more?

[mmcd]

I don't see any reason for a split. I can generally recognize which posts are probably going to suck based on title/poster, and I just don't read them. I don't think this forum is so cluttered as to make a split necessary.

[TStoneMBD]

i personally could care less about a well crafted 20/40 hand that was written with grace and style and has a tommy angelo cool stamp at the top of the thread. i post hands that i think might have been played suboptimally that i could learn from with the help of others. if these concepts are beginner concepts to you guys thats unfortunate because im posting them here.

[stoxtrader]

split the HU and short handed forum first maybe even into 3 or 4 forums, goodness knows it needs it like, 10X more.

not too many of the higher limits go full much anyways.

[bobbyi]

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split the HU and short handed forum first maybe even into 3 or 4 forums, goodness knows it needs it like, 10X more.

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Splitting HUSH is happening no matter what.

[Dave Mac]

I agree the forum is almost always unreadable, and redundant. All of the party hands seem the same. I think one of the issues is beyond the basic most speicific hands will not teach much and are generally irrelevent. should i 3 bet this river, well maybe, but no specific issue, after those basic corrections is really going to improve our game that much or are that interesting. some post do change our game or perspecitive, but i find these very few and very far between. we all bsically know how to play, and i have found improving the small things to get to perfect or making them better is very hard, and so situation and player dependet it is very hard to learn is describe or understand in a post.
dave

[Klepton]

meh.

i think the high limit forum will start to become a brag central forum.

and then the mid forum will probably be tumbleweeds.

[astroglide]

i was referring to the value of the post/hand, not a rating of its prose

[mrkilla]

I'd be for splitting into a Mid/Hi B+M and Mid/Hi Online. It comes down to how many party "What do I do with Ace's" 15/30 posts a month get here.
B+M 15/30 plays diffrent then online, heck half the posts say "Well if this was online I'd call down but B+M I am folding"

You'd need to define high limit and mid limit, which, will surely spark a debate. Also, what about midlimit posting that is worthy of the ultimate high limit gurus opinion?


Leave it alone.


Dont fix what isnt broken.

[daryn]

i think we should have a forum for forum creation discussion

[andyfox]

"Incidentally, didn't they used to have a "Brick and Mortar" forum."

Still do. Look left, just below Psychology. I post my Iris stories there.

[B Dids]

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I think the real problem is not limits, it is quality of posts.

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Agreed.

The solution isn't moving around where people make [censored] posts, it's getting people to make less [censored] posts.

If you do split, as I mentioned in SS. 15/30 seems to have more in common with 3/6 than it does 100/200.

I also think that if the forum could somehow disallow the use of the handconverter, things would improve markedly. The less people are able to hand spam, the better.

[Paluka]

I dislike online posts that are just basically hand histories of nearly standard hands.
I dislike B&M posts that are based way too much off reads or knowledge that you could only have if you were at the table.
I don't think splitting the forums gets rid of these posts. I'd rather have the forums split into limits, with 30/60 being the cutoff for high stakes.

[Dave Mac]

the fact you even had to post either one of these posts as questions is very telling. who care what limit it is obv a good post, which is interesting and helpful is much better than a high limit pos post. it is the content not the limit.
and i think it may be spanking the wrong baby and emphasizes dick swinging and limit bragging.
dave

[SA125]

I don't think online or B&M makes any difference at all to the people who play both, and I think that includes most on here.

I think there's a definite need to split the limits and favor a mid-high forum from 15-30 to 40-80 and a high forum 50-100 and up. I base that on two things.

One is I think you should post more to the limits you play and those levels close to it. You see the same cast of characters live between 15-40, depending on the game and what's going. That makes it more likely you'll provide positive input or realize you're not playing optimally at the limits you're at. That obviously doesn't prevent the higher limit players from posting lower to help out.

Second goes back to something you always see in the DERB thread and James282 was the last one I saw say it in response to a "Bingo" post someone made. It's basically that, if you have never played against that player, or even at those limits, you don't have the credibility to post for it.

Whether or not that's justified is debatable, but I can respect that and wouldn't feel punished by only being able to lurk in a higher limit forum I don't play hands in. I know James isn't alone in that view and wasn't intentionally singling him out.

[bdk3clash]

(Apologies in advance for giving suggestions to a forum where I'm mainly a lurker.)

I'm all for much, much more active moderation. I think moderators should be given more leeway to delete non-productive posts, not just off-topic stuff and spam. Meta-moderation (a la Slashdot) would be great but I doubt it'll be implemented any time soon.

Posters should also clearly tag the hands they post with something like "Live 20/40" or "Party 30/60" or whatever in the subject. Great restraint should be exercised by posters in responding to crappy posts. (These responses are the kind of things I think moderators should delete.) Inexcusably bad advice and other forms of blathering should be deleted by moderators. Bad beat whines, in whatever form, should be deleted by moderators or moved to a different forum.

I suspect that the 2+2 audience has reached the point where a mid-high limit forum could be the premiere poker strategy forum anywhere, like Small Stakes was in 2003 and HUSH was in 2004. But the user base on 2+2 is too big now to just let the forums take care of themselves. I think active moderation is absolutely necessary.

[Surfbullet]

(Apologies in advance for giving suggestions to a forum where I'm mainly a lurker, also.)

This seems like a simple problem that has gotten too much attention because of the label "splitting mid-high" when that's not what it's about.

Here's the issue:

There are regular posters playing 10/20, 15/30, and 20/40 full games who want to post hands. These hands don't fit posted next to 2/4 and 3/6 hands in SS where they get drowned out. They are unwelcome in the current MH because they are too simple, or they don't rate up to 100/200 hands, or whatever.

The point is these posts have no home and the mid forum will give them one - it's not taking away from mid-high because the high content, high-limit posts will still go there. It doesn't take away from SS because the 20/40 posts aren't helping a 3/6 player and most regulars like Josh. etc still post there. We're just meeting a current need, not decimating the "original 2+2 forum" or anything drastic.

Surf

[bobdibble]

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This is an espcially big problem w/ the online posts, where there are people playing mid-high yet still making boring, almost beginner-level, posts.

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I agree with this and some of my posts probably fit in this category. However, it is tough to get advice on 15/30 and 20/40 hands in SS because the typical 3/6 player in SH just isn't familiar with the level of agression in the 15/30 and 20/40, nor the vastly improved (but still bad overall) ability of the villains to read hands.

I think Bobbyi is right in that 15/30 and 20/40 are sort of in limbo on these forums.

Does that implie that there should be a split? Dunno.

[astroglide]

based on what has been discussed so far, my vote (and it is only just a vote) is leaning toward making mid stakes something like 8/16 up to 15/30 and high stakes 20/40+. 30/60+ seems a bit too aggressive even if 15/30 and 20/40 are close. i think it's easier to tune things upward (going from 20/40+ to 30/60+) than it is to back them off, so i would err on the side of conservatism when it comes to modifying limit requirements. it doesn't sound right calling 20/40 or even 30/60 'high stakes', though. 'higher stakes'?

i am beginning to see how a lot of people could feel stranded with 15/30 hands, wanting 'higher level' responses than those offered in the small stakes forum yet not feeling right about posting them in midhigh due to hostile/non-existent responses over simplicity. if it's changed and somebody felt they had a more basic question playing 20/40 or 30/60, they could still post it in the mid forum (which would hopefully be populated with more of the people they want answering their questions).

[flawless_victory]

no need for a split...
basically, 15/30 and 20/40 belong in SS.

[CardSharpCook]

I guess I'd really like to see a split. I much prefer reading 15/30 and 20/40 hands, and I know I am not alone int tiring of hearing "good" posters complain that a question or a hand is too simple and belings in SS. Well, SS players don't deal with blind steals, SS players don't have to think about whether or not they can call with their limping hand after a raise and two calls, SS players.... etc etc. There are many such issues that are new and unique in mid stakes that players like me want to talk about. MH posters often take the stance "well you should know that." As a mid stakes player, I would like us to have our own forum.

[bdk3clash]

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no need for a split...
basically, 15/30 and 20/40 belong in SS.

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I absolutely disagree given the current description of the Small Stakes forum. There's no way 15/30 and 20/40 hands belong in the same forum as people posting about $3/6 online and B&M games.

My personal instincts say Small Stakes should cover up to about $8-16, Mid Stakes (if it exists) $10-20 up to $30-60, and High Stakes $40-80 and up. (EDIT: I could see $30/60 being in High Stakes.)

Before anyone responds, please keep in mind I've preemptively taken my suggestions and shoved them up my ass.

[tpir90036]

I think it's fine the way it is. Pushing 15/30 down into SS would just further dilute that forum.

If people wanted to be more aggressive about moving crappy threads out of here I think that is fine as long as it doesn't turn into a popularity contest. Sometimes people with low post counts have good things to say too.

The only argument I could see for making a High forum is if it would suddenly encourage the best/legendary posters to become hyperactive if even for a short period of time.

[astroglide]

with high stakes being something like 40/80 and up, you really run a risk of creating ghost towns. bear in mind the plan is already in place to create more tiers for HUSH, including high stakes. say somebody's got a shorthanded 80/160 hand. do they post it in high HUSH, or high limit? if it goes in high HUSH, how many posts will there even be in high limit since everything over 100/200 is shorthanded? if you have no high limit HUSH and high stakes is everything 40/80+, shorthanded or not, you've got the 8/16 people chatting with the 30/60 people and that's not good either. those scenarios look like the real pickle.

to tpir the suggestion is to create a mid forum for 8/16-something, not to push them into small stakes.

[durron597]

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i think we should have a forum for forum creation discussion

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This is also already happening no matter what.

<font color="#888888">returns to lurking now... </font>

[SA125]

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Before anyone responds, please keep in mind I've preemptively taken my suggestions and shoved them up my ass.

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Nice. Cracked me up.

[stigmata]

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there are people playing mid-high yet still making boring, almost beginner-level, posts.

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I agree with this, but from the other side of the coin. As someone just breaking into the mid-limits, I would actually really like a forum to post some pretty boring/standard hands. Most of them concerned with adapting to the vastly increased aggression and generally better standard of play. These posts certainly would not fit in SSH, but I am hesitant to post them here, as I am sure it would bring down the quality of discussion in this forum. As surbullet said "these posts have no home".

There are quite a few of us moving "out of the kiddie pool", and a new forum would help us and also keep the quality of this forum up. I don't think having a low number of posts on each forum is a bad thing at all, either.

[TylerD]

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based on what has been discussed so far, my vote (and it is only just a vote) is leaning toward making mid stakes something like 8/16 up to 15/30 and high stakes 20/40+. 30/60+ seems a bit too aggressive even if 15/30 and 20/40 are close. i think it's easier to tune things upward (going from 20/40+ to 30/60+) than it is to back them off, so i would err on the side of conservatism when it comes to modifying limit requirements. it doesn't sound right calling 20/40 or even 30/60 'high stakes', though. 'higher stakes'?

i am beginning to see how a lot of people could feel stranded with 15/30 hands, wanting 'higher level' responses than those offered in the small stakes forum yet not feeling right about posting them in midhigh due to hostile/non-existent responses over simplicity. if it's changed and somebody felt they had a more basic question playing 20/40 or 30/60, they could still post it in the mid forum (which would hopefully be populated with more of the people they want answering their questions).

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This sounds good to me.

[TJD]

It is clear that the 15/30 and 20/40 players have a problem on this forum.

To suggest that their posts belong alongside 2/4 or 3/6 hands is ludicrous and while I respect the many regular posters on this forum, anyone who suggests that they DO belong there have clearly not played BOTH limits recently. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

The 15/30 and 20/40 players are in a transition stage. On Party where most people play, there are very few full tables between 3/6 and 15/30. This means that most players will have played 3/6; moved to short tables at 5/10 and 10/20 to improve their HU and 3-way skills and then moved to 15/30.

It is probably true that many of the very experienced high limit players will view some of the questions as being trivially easy but the 15/30 and 20/40 players do NOT see them as trivial. Some of these very experienced players are kind enough to spend some of their time helping further the education of these "improvers" but there is no reason why they should do so, even though it is greatly appreciated.

If the 15/30 and 20/40 games were split it could be considered an "improvers" forum. It is true that all players at all limits are probably trying to improve but 15/30 and 20/40 players have a new set of challenges.

1) They are dealing with higher (full table) aggression than they are used to.
2) There are a larger number of better players (since a decent living can be made at these stakes)
3) They are now getting used to more HU and 3-way pots that started with players having tighter preflop standards at a full table.
4) There is a smaller pool of players, so maybe for the first time in their playing careers, getting to "know" the opponents becomes really worth the effort. At 3/6, just playing ABC with no reads and no imagination will win a sizeable amount.
5) Because the players are better, some are actually now capable of folding. Bluffing at 3/6 is almost a complete waste of time, yet at 100/200, we lower stakes players look on in disbelief as players "lock horns" and cap the flop and turn with 3rd pair or even air. We have the challenge of understanding when such action is +EV and when it is spewing.
6) They have the mental problem of dealing with significantly increased stakes

Assuming the site is there to offer a service to all players, it seems clear that some means of helping the 15/30, and 20/40 players is required without wasting the time of the more experienced players who do not wish to contribute to the development of the lower limit players.

A forum that was aimed at 15/30 and 20/40 players could be used for us to discuss ideas amongst ourselves to try and get a better understanding of our new playing environment. If any of the more experienced players would be kind enough to contribute that would be wonderful. Sometimes this input could be a detailed analysis; sometimes it could be a thought provoking question in the El Diablo style of forcing us to look at a core issue or sometimes it could be a Clarkmesiter one liner. He said in one of my threads, "You MUST bet this turn", no great analysis there but an absolute requirement by me to try and find out WHY! Several hours later, a quick and dirty spreadsheet let me understand why he was right. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

There is a huge improvement required to go from 3/6 to the real high stakes games. Can this site be of any help in getting us there?

Trevor

[piggity]

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Meta-moderation (a la Slashdot) would be great

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I agree wholeheartedly.

First of all, not all games at a given limit play the same. Most people seem to be hung up on where a specific limit belongs. The fact is, each game plays differently. Even at a lowly 30/60 game, the game can vary widely from being a limp-fest to being very tough.

(Secondly, not all posts by a given poster are the same. I have seen historically "good" posters write junk, and unknown posters make very good points.)

I think allowing for a modern moderation system where each post can be rated, filtered, etc. would be very beneficial to these boards.

[sqvirrel]

Normally only a lurker in this forum, but how about making the split to Mid-High Strategy and Mid-High Gossip

IMHO, posts on 10/20 - 20/40 do not belong in the same forum as 2/4 (small stakes). I'm for either keeping them here or splitting them off into a mid-level forum. I could see reasons for putting 30/60 into either mid or high.

[stigmata]

As someone pointed out earlier, 30/60 would end up being posted in either mid or high, depending on the context of the question. Generally speaking, idiots like me would put them in mid, thus preserving the elites forum from such terrible garbage.

[MNpoker]

The name of the forum is: Mid to High
The highest 3 games at Poker Stars are:
100 / 200 &lt;-- so this must be high
30 / 60 &amp;
15 / 30

Unless you want a different forum for EVERY level I'm not sure how 15 / 30 can not be considered to be Mid stakes.

Perhaps the forum title should be:
Mid high players with a lot of hands played and lots of posts?
It seems to me this is what the elite ultimately want.

[MaxPower]

There is just not enough volume on this forum to warrant splitting it up. Can't you guys put up with an occasional 15/30 post from a mediocre player like me who just wants to learn and hopefully one day become as awesome as you poker gods.:p

This seems like a solution in search of a problem. Even if you split up the forum, you will just get the same moronic posts we get now, but they will be on two forums rather than one.

[dankhank]

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There is just not enough volume on this forum to warrant splitting it up. Can't you guys put up with an occasional 15/30 post from a mediocre player like me who just wants to learn and hopefully one day become as awesome as you poker gods.:p

This seems like a solution in search of a problem. Even if you split up the forum, you will just get the same moronic posts we get now, but they will be on two forums rather than one.

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what he said

[sfer]

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IMHO, posts on 10/20 - 20/40 do not belong in the same forum as 2/4 (small stakes). I'm for either keeping them here or splitting them off into a mid-level forum. I could see reasons for putting 30/60 into either mid or high.

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I think this is the heart of the the OP's question. 2/4 online is not much different from 10/20 live.

[Mempho]

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There is just not enough volume on this forum to warrant splitting it up. Can't you guys put up with an occasional 15/30 post from a mediocre player like me who just wants to learn and hopefully one day become as awesome as you poker gods.:p

This seems like a solution in search of a problem. Even if you split up the forum, you will just get the same moronic posts we get now, but they will be on two forums rather than one.

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[veganmav]

I play mostly 15/30 and sometimes feel a little bad about posting them in this forum, beside a 100/200 hand.
But, from the hands I posted in the small stakes forum, when I would post a 15/30 hand and get responses from 2/4 players,and just responses that I felt were innacurate, or not helpful.

In the mid-high forum, I probably don't get as many responses as a 50/100 hand, and that's because people who don't wanna waste their time with my petty 15/30 river decision, just don't post on my thread. And that's completely fine, because I do get lots of insightful input from some people, and my play has been improving dramatically, and I attriubute a lot of that to people helping me with hands in this forum.

But my view is probably biased, because, I am one of the few who would be greatly impacted if there were a split. Try asking the 5% of the population that would be left out of a proposed tax cut, if they support it, they would probably say no. I also say no.

[CardSharpCook]

well the good thing that will come out of this thread is that more mid stakes players will post here. We'll get to see more 15-30 hands.

Is this what's been decided? No split and midlimit posts here?

[bobbyi]

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Is this what's been decided? No split and midlimit posts here?

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Currently the plan is to create the new midlimit forum.