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whiskeytown

11-15-2005, 04:29 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1390)
Hero (t1540)
SB (t1910)
BB (t2140)
UTG (t1410)
UTG+1 (t1480)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t1980)
MP3 (t1650)

Preflop: Hero is Button with <snip, snip>
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, 2 folds, CO calls t20, Hero calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t140) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets t100, UTG raises to t300, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to t860, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to t1390, Hero calls t530.

Turn: (t3020) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

River: (t3020) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t3020

Results in white below: 
UTG has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has 2c 2s (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t3020.

11-15-2005, 04:34 AM

What? Don't we all want to play AA with 6 others in the pot? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

JeanieJ

11-15-2005, 04:35 AM

That's pretty bad considering he had all those limpers. Not raising is just asking for trouble.

Nh

yvesaint

11-15-2005, 04:38 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

MP2 (t4135)
MP3 (t3345)
CO (t4290)
Button (t2190)
Hero (t4450)
BB (t2165)
UTG (t9030)
UTG+1 (t1260)
MP1 (t2135)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 3 folds, CO raises to t60, 2 folds, BB calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30.

Flop: (t195) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t195) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

River: (t195) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets t2105 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, CO calls t2105.

Final Pot: t4405

Results in white below: 
BB has Jh 2c (straight, ace high).
CO has Ad Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: BB wins t4405.

Annulus

11-15-2005, 04:38 AM

There is no lesson here. Even if he raises to 60-100, there is a good chance that some of the limpers call and you call. I know I like to flop sets early when blinds are low. Cards happen.

JeanieJ

11-15-2005, 04:40 AM

Now that's a good one

whiskeytown

11-15-2005, 04:55 AM

but he will get SOME out.

In that case, he'd have most likely gotten me out - not only would it cost more, but I'd probably lose 2 or 3 of the guys that gave me pot odds.

Granted he was UTG, but it hadn't been a very aggressive table - I think he could have pushed it a little bit and gotten a long way.

RB

11-15-2005, 09:49 AM

Never limp with aces!

PokerStars (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of 50. Button posts a blind of 50. SB posts a blind of 50. UTG posts a blind of 50. MP posts a blind of 50.
1 fold, MP (poster) calls 800, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop (t3000): A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 1600, MP calls 1600, SB folds.

Turn (t6200): Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets 2400, Hero raises to 8800, MP calls 6384 (All-In).

River (t23468): 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot:

Results in white below: 
Hero has 3c 2c (flush, ace high).
MP has As Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 23468.

betgo

11-15-2005, 09:50 AM

The problem was not the limp. It was not folding on the flop. In this case 22 would hve probably called a raise, and it would be harder to get away from AA in a raised pot.

A lot of cases late in a tournament, people are always raising limpers. Sometimes I will limpraise with AK or JJ and limp/call with AA in those situations.

11-15-2005, 09:51 AM

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There is no lesson here. Even if he raises to 60-100, there is a good chance that some of the limpers call and you call. I know I like to flop sets early when blinds are low. Cards happen.

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I agree with this. You SHOULD have raised but I think the pocket twos still call and you still go broke.

betgo

11-15-2005, 09:54 AM

[ QUOTE ]
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There is no lesson here. Even if he raises to 60-100, there is a good chance that some of the limpers call and you call. I know I like to flop sets early when blinds are low. Cards happen.

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I agree with this. You SHOULD have raised but I think the pocket twos still call and you still go broke.

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I am not sure you should go broke in a limped 6-way pot with that flop. In a raised pot, you go broke. In a limped pot, you should be able to get away from it.

Toro

11-15-2005, 10:46 AM

If he made 80 to go you wouldn't call? I always do with a small pair early as the implied odds are huge.

Tom Bayes

11-15-2005, 10:50 AM

Look Mom, I can crack limping Aces too!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB (t2565)
UTG (t1200)
UTG+1 (t1480)
MP1 (t1640)
MP2 (t2285)
MP3 (t920)
CO (t1245)
Button (t2090)
Hero (t1575)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, 3 folds, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t180) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t180) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
Hero bets t150, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t150, Button calls t150.

River: (t630) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t240, MP1 raises to t1460, Button folds, Hero calls t1155 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3485

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7s 2c (three of a kind, twos).
MP1 has Ad Ac (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t3420. MP1 wins t65.