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Adam22

11-15-2005, 01:07 AM

it seemed like there was no way in hell i was going to win. both opponents have 30+ vpip and 10-12ish PFR

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
5 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (12 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP3 raises, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 17 BB

flopmonster

11-15-2005, 01:23 AM

i would fold the river

Adam22

11-15-2005, 01:35 AM

after the first bet? i would have done that if i had remembered that there were 2 people left in the pot but i forgot and thought i was heads up for a second and called.

flopmonster

11-15-2005, 01:57 AM

yea after the first bet... if hu i would also call

11-15-2005, 02:13 AM

Fold to the 3-bet on the flop. You aren't getting pot odds to draw to your full house (4.5:1 pots odds... need 5.6:1). Although if you factor in implied odds you make be breaking even here or slightly ahead. If you decide to call, Fold river.

Adam22

11-15-2005, 03:09 AM

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Fold to the 3-bet on the flop. You aren't getting pot odds to draw to your full house (4.5:1 pots odds... need 5.6:1). Although if you factor in implied odds you make be breaking even here or slightly ahead. If you decide to call, Fold river.

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there was no 3 bet on the flop and i think i certaintly was getting odds to draw to the the full house on every street.

11-15-2005, 03:16 AM

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Fold to the 3-bet on the flop. You aren't getting pot odds to draw to your full house (4.5:1 pots odds... need 5.6:1). Although if you factor in implied odds you make be breaking even here or slightly ahead. If you decide to call, Fold river.

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there was no 3 bet on the flop and i think i certaintly was getting odds to draw to the the full house on every street.

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My mistake. You are getting proper odds to draw to your full house. Still fold river.

Adam22

11-15-2005, 03:23 AM

as long as i have this thread going, what about this?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

Joe Tall

11-15-2005, 04:05 AM

Just call preflop. You are in horrible position and if you at all unlikely to get it heads up, hope to flop a set.

Adam22

11-15-2005, 04:40 AM

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Just call preflop. You are in horrible position and if you at all unlikely to get it heads up, hope to flop a set.

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i wouldn't say i'm in horrible position since i have position on the raiser, the only person i don't have position on is the limper who is much less of a threat, especially since it's 2 cold back to him he's got a good chance of folding ( based on what he showed he should have folded ).

that being said i didn't notice that there was a limper and thought it was just the sb betting into me, first to act.

Nick Royale

11-15-2005, 04:43 AM

Nice hand.

Joe Tall

11-15-2005, 03:14 PM

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especially since it's 2 cold back to him he's got a good chance of folding ( based on what he showed he should have folded ).

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He "should have folded" based on "what he showed"?!?! What does this mean?

You are in the BB, and you don't need to bloat the pot unless you are 100% positive you can get it heads up, which is very unlikely w/EP limpers in online games.

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that being said i didn't notice that there was a limper and thought it was just the sb betting into me, first to act.

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You are playing on tilt unless your normal game is not paying attention. If the latter is true, reconsider things when you sit down to play.

einbert

11-15-2005, 03:16 PM

Everything Joe Tall said is that last post in 100% true imo.

W. Deranged

11-15-2005, 03:19 PM

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Nice hand.

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Agreed. I think calling one on the river and folding to a raise is probably the optimal way to play this. I think folding right off the bat is too tight. Occassionally calling will earn us an overcall from a worse hand, and I think if we're raised behind we can fold with 100% confidence we have the worst hand.

Adam22

11-15-2005, 03:42 PM

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especially since it's 2 cold back to him he's got a good chance of folding ( based on what he showed he should have folded ).

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He "should have folded" based on "what he showed"?!?! What does this mean?

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well if you for some reason limped KTs EP and then the sb and bb both raised, would you fold? i certaintly would. that's all i meant.