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Cumulonimbus

11-14-2005, 11:24 PM

I really liked this hand. Villian is tight, and very aggressive.

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Preflop: Nimbus is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, Nimbus raises, MP2 3-bets, 4 folds, Nimbus calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Nimbus checks, MP2 bets, Nimbus raises, MP2 3-bets, Nimbus calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Nimbus bets, MP2 raises, Nimbus calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Nimbus checks, MP2 bets, Nimbus raises, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Borodog

11-14-2005, 11:43 PM

I can't think of a way to get more bets than that.

nh

Redd

11-15-2005, 12:13 AM

If you're not going to bet-3bet the turn, then why not cap the flop before your turn donk?

11-15-2005, 01:02 AM

I like your line. Esp not capping the flop to conceal your hand.
However, I feel it is kind of risky to go for the river CR against a TAG who might just check behind the river. Given the action tho I guess its just more pleasurable to finish off the hand that way.
Personally, I try not to get too fancy, and donk + 3 bet the turn, and leading the river wins me the same amount with less worries.

nice hand anyways

Cumulonimbus

11-15-2005, 01:16 AM

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If you're not going to bet-3bet the turn, then why not cap the flop before your turn donk?

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I planned on checkraising the turn assuming it wasn't a heart. But, since it was a heart, I donked it because I didn't want it checked through.

jskills

11-15-2005, 02:22 AM

3 betting the turn is a must. He could cap - but you eliminated that possibility.

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Richard Berg

11-15-2005, 02:26 AM

3-bet the turn. Wins the same # of bets with less risk of whiffing.

jskills

11-15-2005, 10:09 AM

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I can't think of a way to get more bets than that.

nh

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You should think a bit harder.

Redd

11-15-2005, 10:41 AM

Yeah, on the turn he's not raising without a heart very often and judging by the preflop action, it's high enough that he might go to war. I think we gotta 3bet the turn. If I didn't know the action would go bet-raise on the turn I'd likely cap the flop too.

bobhalford

11-15-2005, 01:57 PM

There's too much calling in this hand, not enough raising. When villain likes his hand this much, I would at least 3 bet the turn if you are going to take this line.

Cumulonimbus

11-15-2005, 03:06 PM

Ok now I'll explain my thinking... By his turn raise, it was evident he had the Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif or K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, or maybe the J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. And yes, if I 3-bet, there's a chance he would have capped. But I don't think he would have. He was a thinking opponent, and he would have smelt the Ace/images/graemlins/heart.gif pretty soon. I'm almost positive he would have called a 3-bet and called the river, which is 4 bets... which is the exact same amount I got out of him.

Now, provided I was VERY confident he'd bet the river if I checked to him, I went with that line because it not only got the four bets out, but it did two things: it made it look like I was totally bluffing the entire hand, so that my river checkraise would seem very odd to him... he might even 3-bet the river. Plus, it eliminated the very small chance of him folding the turn if I 3-bet and he only held, say, the Jack of hearts.

I still kinda think I should have 3-bet, but I think it's very close. Against this opponent, I'm happy with my line.

rmarotti

11-15-2005, 03:08 PM

FPS. You could have easily whiffed the river and missed a bet. re-raise the turn, bet the river. He'll call.

W. Deranged

11-15-2005, 03:12 PM

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3-bet the turn. Wins the same # of bets with less risk of whiffing.

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It should at least be considered that some opponents would be willing to fold the K /images/graemlins/heart.gif or something like that to a turn three-bet but would bet the river when checked to. Not that that's a big consideration against this (or even most opponents) but it should be considered against skilled/tight-weak types.