OK WTF

[pokerdirty]

Why was my thread on doing the HP chick deleted? Is it because Dynasty has a soft spot for Harry Potter? Pedophilia a touchy subject for one of the mods? If this thread gets locked, I would like an explanation from the mod that did it. If it's from a legal standpoint, I find it funny we can talk about beating the [censored] out of 5 year olds, but can't talk about a little underage puss.

P. Dirty

[Dynasty]

I didn't take any action. I didn't even see the thread.

However, you need to learn how to deal with people better. The far better way to approach the situation would be to contact the forum moderators privately.

[pokerdirty]

the reason i didn't is because i didn't know which one of you it was.

[Dynasty]

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the reason i didn't is because i didn't know which one of you it was.

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That's a lousy reason. It would be a simple matter to contact one mod and go from there.

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the reason i didn't is because i didn't know which one of you it was.

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That's a lousy reason. It would be a simple matter to contact one mod and go from there.

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yes, sir.

[Mat Sklansky]

I deleted the thread. Asking people about having sex with a 15 yr old goes too far. The fact that [censored] wasn't filtered in the poll made it that much worse.

This shouldn't need an explanation.

[istewart]

Come on, Mat. I'm sure we all can admit she's hot.

[Mat Sklansky]

If people get on here and start saying they have seen worse, that does not mean his post was OK. It just means that I have not been made aware of things that are worse. If people want me to be aware of something worse that I propbably missed, alert me and I'm sure I will delete those things as well.

Thanks,

Mat

[Mat Sklansky]

He did not ask if she was hot. It's totally inappropriate. Even his post here was out of line. He can take a day off.

Mat

But we can discuss doing illicit and illegal drugs and whats good to watch with them?

[mmbt0ne]

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He did not ask if she was hot. It's totally inappropriate. Even his post here was out of line. He can take a day off.

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[censored] would be proud.

[B Dids]

At times like this it's a good idea to remember that this forum is basically a marketing tool.

Shockingly, people find nailing a 15 year old just slightly worse than doing drugs.

It's probably not something that can ever be enforced in a way that's going to be totally consistant, but I think when Mat steps in and makes a call like this, it's pretty silly to get too up in arms in outrage.

[mostsmooth]

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But we can discuss doing illicit and illegal drugs and whats good to watch with them?

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maybe we should put an end to this as well

[MyTurn2Raise]

are you talking about Emma Watson?

very, very wrong to discuss; she was born in the nineties. Unless you live in areas where it is not illegal
www.ageofconsent.com (http://www.ageofconsent.com) It appears as 16 makes her fair game in much of the world.

[imported_anacardo]

Shady thread, even worse reaction. I think you should check yourself, bro.

[Blarg]

Even though I don't do them anymore, I don't find doing drugs bad at all, and probably a good majority of OOT posters don't either.

I think the post was inoffensive. It's not like it was an instructional or a contact list, and there isn't a guy alive who hasn't seen a girl who looked very much like a woman and then realized or found out she was 15. Probably more times than he can count. It's kind of a weird thing, but doesn't make you a child molester or even really interested in the girl. Those 15 year old faces on a 22 year old's body are a little offputting even if you do have no morals at all.

But the whole thing's a pretty minor matter either way. Who cares if there's one less thread in OOT.

[PoBoy321]

Wow, I didn't realize she was 15, I thought she was just like a 17 or 18 year old actress who played a younger character. Wow, now I feel really dirty.

[dblgutshot]

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www.ageofconsent.com (http://www.ageofconsent.com)

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CANADA 14 WOOOOO

she's not even hot i mean look at her hair, seriously

[Evan]

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But we can discuss doing illicit and illegal drugs and whats good to watch with them?

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Yea, this is the thing I don't understand. Whenever someone gets flagged for inappropriate content I have a really hard time seperating it from at least 3 posts on the first page.

[RunDownHouse]

I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

[Evan]

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I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

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I don't think writing about any of this stuff on an internet forum reults in any detriment to society. Also, I'm sure I see at least a couple 15 year olds each week and have the "I want to [censored] her" reaction. Does that make me a bad person? Man, some of you people are really nuts.

[MasterShakes]

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It's not pedophilia if she is 15 and has gone through puberty.

[imported_anacardo]

That's all well and good, but do we really need to have polls about it? And what about that [censored] retard who pushed it to "first movie" status? It's just stupid and lame and mildly creepy. Good deletion. Bad bitchfest.

[GuyOnTilt]

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I have trouble understanding how an intelligent thinker could believe that wanting to bang a 15-17 year old girl is morally wrong.

GoT

[imported_anacardo]

Half. Your. Age. Plus. Seven.

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

One of the greatest arbitrary lines in the sand ever drawn by the mind of man.

[MasterShakes]

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That's all well and good, but do we really need to have polls about it? And what about that [censored] retard who pushed it to "first movie" status? It's just stupid and lame and mildly creepy. Good deletion. Bad bitchfest.

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No, we actually don't need anything in the entire forum.

[RunDownHouse]

I have responses for all of that, but would rather not post, as I'm pretty sure Matt doesn't want this thread to turn into a discussion about pedophilia. That kind of thing is better left to the politics forum, if you care enough to discuss it there.

[Evan]

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Good deletion. Bad bitchfest.

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Also a bad banning.

[GuyOnTilt]

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Half. Your. Age. Plus. Seven.

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

One of the greatest arbitrary lines in the sand ever drawn by the mind of man.

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I agree it's a good practical rule of thumb, but it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. A lot of people seem to actually believe that pedophilia, as defined by the United States gov't, is necessarily immoral.

GoT

[Evan]

Half my age + 7 is 17. Can you really tell a 15 year old from a 17 year old?

[imported_anacardo]

Yes. One is fifteen. The other, seventeen. One is eligible under the Half Your Age Plus Seven rubric. The other is not.

You see?

[MasterShakes]

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Half my age + 7 is 17. Can you really tell a 15 year old from a 17 year old?

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New topic in the politics forum if anybody cares.

[uw_madtown]

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Half my age + 7 is 17. Can you really tell a 15 year old from a 17 year old?

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Sometimes. Sometimes not.

It's a biological issue, as you and GoT clearly understand. 15 is young enough though that some haven't matured, hence why people get riled up.

Didn't see the thread, so can't comment on the deletion... but I find the whole "2p2 forums are a marketing tool, no bad things!" argument funny. If that's the reason we can't talk about how hot some 16 year old actresses are, then the entire OOT forum should be deleted. Anyone who'd be offended by that can easily find plenty else to be offended by on the front page.

On the other hand, a thread like that is pretty disposable and getting worked up over it is pretty silly.

[uw_madtown]

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Yes. One is fifteen. The other, seventeen. One is eligible under the Half Your Age Plus Seven rubric. The other is not.

You see?

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Not his point, and you know it.

Given a random group of 100 girls, half 15 and half 17, could you identify their ages with 100% accuracy? I'm guessing not -- I'm guessing even 80% accuracy might be hard.

[2+2 wannabe]

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I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

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It's not pedophilia if she is 15 and has gone through puberty.

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[AngryCola]

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New topic in the politics forum if anybody cares.

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I think this discussion is better suited for OOT than the politics forum. You were just talking about desire and such. It doesn't have much of anything to do with politics.

[MasterShakes]

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I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

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It's not pedophilia if she is 15 and has gone through puberty.

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Pedophilia is the act or fantasy (wanting) of having sexual relations with a child. A person is no longer a child if he or she has gone through puberty.

[Evan]

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I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

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It's not pedophilia if she is 15 and has gone through puberty.

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Does it change your opinion if I'm 20?

[dblgutshot]

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Yes. One is fifteen. The other, seventeen. One is eligible under the Half Your Age Plus Seven rubric. The other is not.

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Not his point, and you know it.

Given a random group of 100 girls, half 15 and half 17, could you identify their ages with 100% accuracy? I'm guessing not -- I'm guessing even 80% accuracy might be hard.

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I don't see how this matters.

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I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

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It's not pedophilia if she is 15 and has gone through puberty.

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Does it change your opinion if I'm 20?

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and look 12?

[Evan]

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Yes. One is fifteen. The other, seventeen. One is eligible under the Half Your Age Plus Seven rubric. The other is not.

You see?

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Not his point, and you know it.

Given a random group of 100 girls, half 15 and half 17, could you identify their ages with 100% accuracy? I'm guessing not -- I'm guessing even 80% accuracy might be hard.

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I don't see how this matters.

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The point is that if you look at a 15 year old and your first thought that is that you'd like to bang her it isn't a bad thing. If you honestly couldn't piece that one together on your own then I'd really appreciate it if you threw your computer out a window to prevent you from ever posting on this site again. Thanks.

[GuyOnTilt]

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I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

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It's not pedophilia if she is 15 and has gone through puberty.

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Pedophilia is the act or fantasy (wanting) of having sexual relations with a child. A person is no longer a child if he or she has gone through puberty.

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You're kind of coming at it from the wrong angle. Pedophilia, medically speaking, pertains only to, specifically, prepubescent persons. However, from your statements you seem to be implying that you believe that the term "pedophilia" in and of itself is something wrong, and that if the definition were in fact pertaining to anyone under 18 that you would perhaps then have a problem with desire for <18 year olds.

GoT

[uw_madtown]

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Yes. One is fifteen. The other, seventeen. One is eligible under the Half Your Age Plus Seven rubric. The other is not.

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Not his point, and you know it.

Given a random group of 100 girls, half 15 and half 17, could you identify their ages with 100% accuracy? I'm guessing not -- I'm guessing even 80% accuracy might be hard.

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I don't see how this matters.

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The point is that if you look at a 15 year old and your first thought that is that you'd like to bang her it isn't a bad thing.

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This post was much more awesome before you fixed it. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Evan]

I'm a little drunk.

[tonypaladino]

I didn't see the original thread, so I don't know what was said, I will, however give my opinion on some of the issues being discussed.

Pedophilia:
-I think of pedophilia as a sexual attraction to young children, ie pre-pubescent. Talking about a fully matured 15 year old is maybe borderline, but when it's on a forum populated by a large number of people in their young 20's, I'd say it's appropriate enough, especially considering the general nature of the content on oot.

Banning P.Dirty-
-I think locking this thread and PMing him asking him not to start a new one would have been good enough. If he didn't listen after he was asked, then maybe a ban would be in order.

[MasterShakes]

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I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

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It's not pedophilia if she is 15 and has gone through puberty.

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Pedophilia is the act or fantasy (wanting) of having sexual relations with a child. A person is no longer a child if he or she has gone through puberty.

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You're kind of coming at it from the wrong angle. Pedophilia, medically speaking, pertains only to, specifically, prepubescent persons. However, from your statements you seem to be implying that you believe that the term "pedophilia" in and of itself is something wrong, and that if the definition were in fact pertaining to anyone under 18 that you would perhaps then have a problem with desire for <18 year olds.

GoT

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The poster I originally replied to used the word "pedophilia" in referring to the original comments about the 15 year old in question. I was simply pointing out that it cannot be pedophilia if she has gone through puberty. I'm not implying anything at all about whether pedophilia is wrong.

[GuyOnTilt]

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I have trouble believing that people can't separate pedophilia from marijuana use in terms of severity and detriment to society.

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It's not pedophilia if she is 15 and has gone through puberty.

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Pedophilia is the act or fantasy (wanting) of having sexual relations with a child. A person is no longer a child if he or she has gone through puberty.

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You're kind of coming at it from the wrong angle. Pedophilia, medically speaking, pertains only to, specifically, prepubescent persons. However, from your statements you seem to be implying that you believe that the term "pedophilia" in and of itself is something wrong, and that if the definition were in fact pertaining to anyone under 18 that you would perhaps then have a problem with desire for <18 year olds.

GoT

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The poster I originally replied to used the word "pedophilia" in referring to the original comments about the 15 year old in question. I was simply pointing out that it cannot be pedophilia if she has gone through puberty. I'm not implying anything at all about whether pedophilia is wrong.

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Gotcha. Your OP in Politics made me think otherwise, but I understand.

GoT

[B Dids]

I said the "marketing tool" argument could never be logically consistant, but I still think it's valid. There's going to be some things that will make an owner go "hmm... no, this is our name on the line" and a thread about a 15 year old girl probably does that moreso than say, PJN's posts.

[mostsmooth]

start your own website and talk about whatever you want

[uw_madtown]

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I said the "marketing tool" argument could never be logically consistant, but I still think it's valid. There's going to be some things that will make an owner go "hmm... no, this is our name on the line" and a thread about a 15 year old girl probably does that moreso than say, PJN's posts.

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This is probably true. But if you take the forum in its entirety, I think such advertisers would probably be scared away anyway. I mean, threads on "how long was your first time," "what's your biggest log," comparing different vaporizors, and tons of discussion re: underage drinking, porn, etc...

You get my point. I just find the "marketing tool" thing silly. I do understand why a thread like this crosses a particular line, although I'd think things like the vaporizer discussion would too, since it's basically several users helping others to do something illegal.

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start your own website and talk about whatever you want

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grassontheinfield.org. Not a good idea to do this, however.

[El Barto]

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New topic in the politics forum if anybody cares.

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I think this discussion is better suited for OOT than the politics forum. You were just talking about desire and such. It doesn't have much of anything to do with politics.

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Your locking of the thread in politics was your first clear moderating mistake.

This is a political issue clearly, we have lots of controversial laws and policies regarding it (amber alerts, sexual predator registrations, different age limits in different states, etc.) Laws are passed all the time based on what people think are legitimate "desires" or not, that is part of the political discussion.

The type of response one gets from a thread is different when you post it in politics instead of OOT. You should not be making the decision that the politics forum regulars should not be discussing this political issue while OOT regulars should be.

Locking threads for personal attacks is one thing, locking threads due to it political content is another. Please do better next time (and you were doing so well for the past month too).