When should I have folded these flushes?

[amax]

These hands happen just after another but on different tables, might be noticed in my passive play in the second hand. Is there anytime when I can lay down these hands on these boards (no pair flopped)? Should I've folded the second hand to the 3-bet on turn?

Button is 16/7/1.7

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (14 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, CO folds.

Final Pot: 19 BB


MP1 is 27/8/1.3

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (14.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.25 BB

Nope.

[SuitedDucks]

i dont fold hand 1 but reluctantly call down.

in hand two, i think you can defintiely fold on the river after teh board pairs and mp3 wakes up again.

[MCS]

1: Never.
2: River.

(hey, those look a lot alike)

[amax]

Thanks, didn't think it would be correct to fold very often, in fact I think folding the first hand would even be a big misstake since I probably will be ahead a lot more then every 10th time on the river. The second river cold call is probably worse.

FYI: both hands were beaten by higher flushes, which made me write the post in the first place.

[brazilio]

Fold these both on the turn, it's obvious you're beaten. And even if you're not beaten, the board's going to pair around 58% of the time and you get boated out.

[Adam22]

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Fold these both on the turn, it's obvious you're beaten. And even if you're not beaten, the board's going to pair around 58% of the time and you get boated out.

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FIFTY EIGHT?

[brazilio]

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Fold these both on the turn, it's obvious you're beaten. And even if you're not beaten, the board's going to pair around 58% of the time and you get boated out.

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FIFTY EIGHT?

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I've got a 562-hand database. I've had a set 33 times, and I've boated 19 times. That should be all the reasoning required, easy fold.

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Fold these both on the turn, it's obvious you're beaten. And even if you're not beaten, the board's going to pair around 58% of the time and you get boated out.

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FIFTY EIGHT?

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I think he's perhaps being sarcastic /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[einbert]

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I've got a 562-hand database. I've had a set 33 times, and I've boated 19 times. That should be all the reasoning required, easy fold.

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Brazilio, you realize your sample size isn't near adequate to answer this problem right?

However, I have a 5000 hand database, and my sets have boated about 54% of the time. So in this case brazilio happens to be right.

[brazilio]

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I've got a 562-hand database. I've had a set 33 times, and I've boated 19 times. That should be all the reasoning required, easy fold.

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Brazilio, you realize your sample size isn't near adequate to answer this problem right?

However, I have a 5000 hand database, and my sets have boated about 54% of the time. So in this case brazilio happens to be right.

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I've noticed some significant reverse-implied accuracy when it comes to using larger databases such as yours. For instance, at 5/10 6-max in the last 800 hands I'm at 27BB/100. However, in the last 5,000 I'm only at 5.5BB/100. I know for a fact I'm an 18BB/100 winner at 5/10. I respect your posts very much so, thought you might want to know about this if you didn't already.

[amax]

More amazing than the 58% outboating is the 100% I'm up against a set, I'll be sure to fold every flush on turn from now on /images/graemlins/grin.gif