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11-14-2005, 06:42 AM
Villian is a TAG, but who is a little too willing to call with draws. He rarely fires two or three bullets with air (although this is less relevant in this hand). 6-handed, I have 2.5K villian has me covered. I have 9h8h in SB. Villian makes it 60 on button. He doesn't need THAT much to do this. I call, 3 other callers. Flop is Qc9c8s. Check to villian, who bets 125. I raise to 350 straight. He thinks for a while and calls. Turn Js. My plan is?
11-14-2005, 09:53 AM
A/K Q? eh...
11-14-2005, 01:43 PM
Or club draw or a hand like Q10...This turn really wasn't a good card for me even though the club did not come. I'm just wondering what the right amount to bet is or if it's better to check to control pot size/induce a bluff on the river.
meleader2
11-14-2005, 01:54 PM
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Or club draw or a hand like Q10...This turn really wasn't a good card for me even though the club did not come. I'm just wondering what the right amount to bet is or if it's better to check to control pot size/induce a bluff on the river.

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checking is good if he's got AA/KK he'll certainly check behind. but if he's got QQ i'm sure he's putting it in.
slickpoppa
11-14-2005, 02:22 PM
Does this guy always raise 12bbs PF? I'm just wondering if the size of his PF raise has any correlation to what hand he may be holding.
11-14-2005, 02:26 PM
This is shorthanded latenight game...Standard preflop raise is 35-80, preflop is raised virtually every time, with semi-frequent reraising.
slickpoppa
11-14-2005, 02:40 PM
I think you need to end the hand immediately. I think I'd lead out with about 600 on the turn and fold to a reraise. He'd have to have some pretty big cajones to bluff without a T, and I think you should be able to get a pair to fold. The only problem is if he has a flush draw. But I dont typically play in 500bb games, so I could be way off base here.
11-14-2005, 03:37 PM
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but if he's got QQ i'm sure he's putting it in.

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eh...
slickpoppa
11-14-2005, 03:47 PM
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but if he's got QQ i'm sure he's putting it in.

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eh...

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I really dont think he has QQ here. If he had QQ he probably would have put in another raise on the flop on such a draw heavy board.
11-14-2005, 04:38 PM
Ok...Maybe this can spark a little more discussion. I check turn to reevaluate, and he checks behind. River Ah, for board of Q98JA, with no flush possible. My plan now?
11-16-2005, 01:28 AM
River Ah, for board of Q98JA, with no flush possible. I check he bets 450 I make a crying call and he has AQ. I should block bet maybe or at least mucked on river. It's hard to bet the turn large as other posters suggested when any 10cXc will push, but I guess that is the best line in retrospect.
11-16-2005, 02:12 AM
Bet turn.
durrrr
11-16-2005, 02:32 AM
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River Ah, for board of Q98JA, with no flush possible. I check he bets 450 I make a crying call and he has AQ. I should block bet maybe or at least mucked on river. It's hard to bet the turn large as other posters suggested when any 10cXc will push, but I guess that is the best line in retrospect.

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You think he bluffs he river w/ KJ/KQ? What else do you beat? Fold.
11-16-2005, 03:09 AM
He bluffs with any missed flush draw also. Or 72 (that's an aside). We were playing 50-dollar bounty on 72 and he raised preflop to 80 I call behind with AQo. Flop AJx rainbow. He bets 100. I min-raise to 200 (did not think he has much, want to see what he does). He makes it 525 straight, I muck (weak, I know, but "what am I beating"). He shows 72 and I have to shove him the extra 50. But point it, even though he is relatively solid, he will bluff missed draw on river (thought there was 1/3 chance he missed clubs when he checked turn).