Very Basic AJo Question. Whats the consensus? [Archive]

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11-14-2005, 01:56 AM

Miss the flop, unknown vils, is it correct to bet this turn? should i be auto betting the flop in the first place?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB folds, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (4.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero ??

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

MrWookie47

11-14-2005, 01:57 AM

The action is funky. Did you lose a player? I'd suspect an all in or something, but it looks like no one bet anything.

11-14-2005, 02:01 AM

nope, the action is perfect. thats what happened.

BB had the choice to check and he folded.

tyler_cracker

11-14-2005, 02:03 AM

Thank you for asking this, eskimo. Hopefully the smart people will respond.

I definitely bet this flop: for fold equity, to get a free river, and your hand might be best.

Once you've gotten to the turn, i'd rather get take the free river and maybe snap off a bluff UI if someone takes a stab.

Jaran

11-14-2005, 02:05 AM

I don't mind the flop check in position. After the turn is checked to me, I'm betting as the last money I put in unless I improve.

-Jaran

MrWookie47

11-14-2005, 02:07 AM

Well, it says that the flop is 5 handed, and it's 4 handed to the turn, but I see one fewer than that in the action. Was there an all in preflop? That makes a difference.

Jaran

11-14-2005, 02:09 AM

Nope. He open folded the flop.

-Jaran

11-14-2005, 02:13 AM

based on the final pot, looks like yer bet picked up the pot. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I think a bet here is fine.

MrWookie47

11-14-2005, 02:13 AM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB folds, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (4.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero ??

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Yes. I see he open folded. That has no bearing on what I was asking. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm asking a legitimate question here.

Aaron_

11-14-2005, 02:13 AM

Wookie: I bet the button sat out and the converter didn't catch it. Bison's converter has been acting strangely lately - did Party change their HH format?

bravos1

11-14-2005, 02:14 AM

what about a continution bet on the flop, especially after the BB checked-out followed by 2 more checks. You may pick it up right here. This will also give you better info on how to play the turn.

As is??? Hmm, take the free card as you may not be able to get the small PP to fold anyway???

Shillx

11-14-2005, 02:15 AM

We are down to 3 players on the flop? I would think pretty hard about betting. No way I'm betting into 4 others.

Brad

MrWookie47

11-14-2005, 02:38 AM

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We are down to 3 players on the flop? I would think pretty hard about betting. No way I'm betting into 4 others.

Brad

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Exactly. If there are only 2 opponents on the flop when it gets to us, I'm probably betting. If there's someone all in preflop that got lost and I'm betting into an empty side pot, checking is good. If it's something else, I want to know what.

11-14-2005, 03:34 AM

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Well, it says that the flop is 5 handed, and it's 4 handed to the turn, but I see one fewer than that in the action. Was there an all in preflop? That makes a difference.

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sorry wookie, misread thought you were talking about the open fold.

Four people saw the flop, one opened the action with a fold

11-14-2005, 03:37 AM

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based on the final pot, looks like yer bet picked up the pot. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I think a bet here is fine.

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im an idiot.... hope noone else noticed lol

2+2 wannabe

11-14-2005, 03:46 AM

this is a pretty sweet flop for you to bet

since you didn't easy turn bet

11-14-2005, 04:19 AM

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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB folds, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (4.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero ??

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

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That's the problem Wookie. It's wrong to start with. There's only 8.

EDIT to say : I bet the flop.

Str8Fish

11-14-2005, 07:46 AM

I would have auto-bet the flop to see if I could eliminate any or all opponents right away. After that turn, it looks like you had 1.5 outs for your ace, and 4 outs for queens, which would have been sweet with a fish having J8. You checking on the flop after being checked to was weak and now I think if you bet on the Turn, they know it's gonna be a bluff and they'll call with their Kx or 9x or whatever they have. Just see if one of your 4.5 outs falls on the river.

11-14-2005, 07:49 AM

Pot isnt big, might as well check for hte free card, unless you think you can get someone to fold by betting.

checkmate36

11-14-2005, 07:58 AM

When the flop comes K high rainbow with 5 players I can see checking the flop. I don't think the check is that bad on the flop. You probably have to hit your Ace at this point to feel good and you can count your outs to the A as 1.5

The turn adds more outs for us but I think I take a free one. If you bet and get c/r that would suck.

11-14-2005, 11:31 AM

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I would have auto-bet the flop to see if I could eliminate any or all opponents right away. After that turn, it looks like you had 1.5 outs for your ace, and 4 outs for queens, which would have been sweet with a fish having J8. You checking on the flop after being checked to was weak and now I think if you bet on the Turn, they know it's gonna be a bluff and they'll call with their Kx or 9x or whatever they have. Just see if one of your 4.5 outs falls on the river.

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I think you are seriously undervaluing our outs here. i think the number is closer to 8 at least, you will have heard from a K definitely or a 9 probably by now. there is even a decent chance our hand is good at this point in the hand (turn).

TheKentock

11-14-2005, 12:20 PM

There is a problem with the converter. I have experienced the same thing and noted it on this forum before. We should tell whomever it is that is responsible for the converter that he may want to tweak it.