20 belly buster -- OOP

[Paul Thomson]

Question: What kind of pot odds implied pot odds do you need to call with a belly buster?

In the hand, I called a pot size bet on the flop out of position. And a half size pot bet on the turn also out of position. I kept telling myself that i had implied odds and would get paid off if I hit. Is this a leak?


BB: paulethomson [9D,10D] ($1,410 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
-caveman- posts blind ($15), paulethomson posts blind ($30).

PRE-FLOP
mikel_skills folds, AcesNeights. bets $60, hurst_13 calls $60, barofsoap calls $60, Lofvendahl folds, MrKirker folds, seedubs13 folds, Duke0003 folds, -caveman- folds, paulethomson calls $30.

FLOP [board cards 7C,JD,KS ]
paulethomson checks, AcesNeights. checks, hurst_13 checks, barofsoap bets $200, paulethomson calls $200, AcesNeights. folds, hurst_13 folds.

TURN [board cards 7C,JD,KS,5C ]
paulethomson checks, barofsoap bets $250, paulethomson calls $250.

RIVER [board cards 7C,JD,KS,5C,3C ]
paulethomson checks, barofsoap bets $1,580 and is all-in, paulethomson folds.

SHOWDOWN
barofsoap shows [ 10S,10C ]
barofsoap wins $2,735.

SUMMARY
Dealer: Duke0003
Pot: $2,735

barofsoap, bets $2,090, collects $2,735, net $645
paulethomson, loses $510

[citanul]

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Question: What kind of pot odds implied pot odds do you need to call with a belly buster?

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er:

1) how many outs do you have
2) how big a bet are you facing
3) how big is the pot
4) how big is the effective stack to play with
5) how big do you anticipate getting paid off
6) how likely are you to win the hand when you make your hand

all those are the questions you should be looking at. there's really no reason for anyone else to go through those 1 by 1 for you. you can do that yourself. calling a bigger than immediate pot odds bet is cool sometimes, if the bet isn't too large, and your payoffs are sufficient.

then of course, you start considering tournament conditions in to your analysis, and it gets hairier. that is, when you don't hit, and you have to fold, you've given up chips on a draw, and potentially a bunch of chips, which could have been conserved for later in the tournament. lowering your immediate equity, your immediate equity in later states of the game, making you move to push fold poker sooner, lowering your folding equity, etc, etc.

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[Freudian]

I would fold on this flop. Crippling your stack when drawing against one opponent who makes it pretty pricey on the flop (and thus most likely on the turn also) is generally a bad idea.