QQ FT Love Fest 2006

[kagame]

Villain in this hand is one of Full Tilt's newest superstars, the guys who deposit $500 and run it up to 10k in a week and think theyre the best players ever, who knows maybe they are, anyway he seems like he overvalues hands in marginal situations which is typical of these guys as they never run into anything that beats them, but hes not by any means terrible or a LAG.

I make a standard raise from early middle with Q /images/graemlins/heart.gifQ /images/graemlins/club.gif, button calls, flop is 2 /images/graemlins/heart.gif3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I bet the pot and button min raises me.

I question what this means aside from the flopped nut flush or a set. Is this the lone Ace enough of the time /images/graemlins/heart.gif to vindicate a push that the villain will likely call? Best line to call and wait until the turn? However, I dont know what turns I like, a set is also a possibility.

As the hand played out I just called, which isnt what I would prefer to do. I then called a 2/3 pot sized bet on the turn when the K /images/graemlins/heart.gif fell, making me the one card second nut flush. I had no idea if I had the best hand or was picking off a bluff or a set trying to win the hand. The river paired the board and I checked preparing to check fold to a substantial bet.

I feel like there is a much better way to handle this sort of situation, thanks for anyone that wants to input. Im going to email this to ciaffone and then maybe post his reply if he doesnt mind :-).

[mikech]

stakes?

[flawless_victory]

stakes
stack sizes
game conditions
recent history
# of players
come on kagame
this post
sucks

[Lucky]

If the game is full, with 100bb stacks and villian is newbie catching cards, i fold to flop mini raise.

It seems weak, but this type of player is not mini raising into strength you've shown with hand you beat often. He's caught a set, goofy flush or something most of the time.

These type of players you're describing arent good, they're just on huge rush and you've caught him in the middle of it.
That sounded a bit superstitious and weak/tight, but oh well. Basically, he sounds like a tight 1/2 grinder, not a move maker.

[BIgMc]

ummmmm, not too much to work with here in regards to the post... I'll give it a shot. I like the call on the flop. The turn is where it gets tricky. On the flop, minraising with a small flush is just begging to get sucked out on turn. Minraising with the nut flush just wouldn't make sense unless he knew your play, and that you probably had a big pair. I'd either put him on a set, or a desperate attempt to buy a free river with the ace or maybe Jack. Although, with a set, I'd personally raise more than the min on the flop. I'd lean towards the A or small flush. More combos with the Ah, than the sets. That's a tough decision. Damn. I'd probably check call the turn, and if the board didn't pair on river, I'd put the same bet down that you called on the turn. It would be hard for anyone to put you all-in unless they had the ace. I'd check fold the riv if the board paired for sure. Damn, that's a tough hand. Give us more info so more people respond!!

[BIgMc]

read this thread and respond. I want to hear peoples ideas on how to play this hand

[kagame]

its 5/10 and we have full 100bb stacks

im more concerned with the scenario in general

i dont like check calling but am unsure as how else to go about playing the hand since the opponents hand range is so bizarre i dont know what cards i like to see and the pots already quite large ($85 preflop, $200 each on flop, so $500 pot and I have a strong hand but am either way behind, moderately behind, or a negligible amount ahead)

[kagame]

stakes - why does this matter
stack sizes- standard
game conditions- i give more detail than most
recent history- same thing
# of players- i said the pot is HU, its 6max like all the cool kids play
come on kagame- where are we going?
this post- yours or mine?
sucks- no, blow me please

[Kirkrrr]

Like you said yourself, one of those extremely marginal situations where there's no single optimal course of action. Comes down to reads and playing your opponents.

Kirk

[thabadguy]

I think the easiest way to play this hand is to jam the flop.
The only hand you're dead to is the NF.
Other than that you are either ahead or have enough outs.

Maybe this isnt the most optimal way to play this hand, but when I am in doubt i take the path of least caution.
P.S. If you've ever seen him minraise before, it would make the hand a lot easier.

[kagame]

i just started playing exclusively on full tilt so im encountering swarms of these people and their senseless betting patterns so im trying to adjust

im a jammer by nature and lately ibe been trying to avoid it when min raised, i suppose this is a leak of some sort, as i definitely have to make hard decisions. perhaps its best to CALL in position and go gangbusters out of position to equalize the hand. the more i think of that the more i like it.

he had AhQ, and probably would have gotten all in with me on the flop, the overpair vs sf gutshot+over scenario is not a race i have much faith in myself to win

btw how bad is his river check? he thought i had a full house! obviously he doesnt know how i play sets on monotone boards, thats a spot where i saw screw caution, myself

[Endlestorm]

This is crazy, I had nearly the exact same hand Saturday on the Paradise $500. I (~500) standard raise $20 w/ J /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/spade.gif in early-middle and get called by CO (he covers, this guy is sort of unpredictable and overvalues hands. Seems like he can convince himeself of your holdings to suit his needs), now its HU.

Flop (~45) 3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I pot it, CO minraises, I call

Turn (~$200) 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif

I bet $150, he calls

River ~($500) 2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I bet $150, he pushes, I call he flips 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif4 /images/graemlins/spade.gif for the straight. While we are at it, hows my line? I thought I played it right, except for the river, but I felt like if I checked he would push with anything. But I committed myself anyway, so I dunno.

[Imperial]

[ QUOTE ]
I think the easiest way to play this hand is to jam the flop.
The only hand you're dead to is the NF.
Other than that you are either ahead or have enough outs.



[/ QUOTE ]

[thabadguy]

If his hand range includes, all sets, all straight and all flushes, including the Nf, i would think intuitively ur about a 40:60 dog, and im a gambler, push the flop.

[Brock Landers]

[ QUOTE ]

Maybe this isnt the most optimal way to play this hand, but when I am in doubt i take the path of least caution.

[/ QUOTE ]

TBG, I respect your playing style a lot. As a guy that is working on being more of a LAG player can you explain this in more detail.

[thabadguy]

Its more fun, and the table knows im not laying a hand like this, makes my decisions a lil easier...ill go into more detail later, playing right now

[kagame]

yeah my opponents continue to push on me with flush draws all day long regardless :-/