Hidden Camera Investigations

[James Boston]

I was just watching a Dateline NBC hidden camera special on guys who solicit minors over the internet. They would pose as a minor and invite the guy to meet them for whatever, and then they filmed the meeting getting busted. That's not really the point. How can they legally air that? Surely these guys aren't giving consent. There was a teacher, a rabbi, a doctor, etc... Why would they allow themselves to be outed as a pederast on national television? Or, is there some loophole that allows Dateline to use the footage whether these guys approve or not?

What are the guys going to say?

These people taped me illegally going to meet with little boys?

[handsome]

Don't they blur out the faces?

[James Boston]

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Don't they blur out the faces?

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Not on this one.

[Beer and Pizza]

On the Today show preview, Katie Couric was defending these pedophiles, weeping in sympathy for them, but no concern had she for the kids they would abuse.

[trying2learn]

Don & Mike (radio show) were talking about this last week. While I haven't seen it - they said one thing that amazed them was that one of the guys gets busted...goes home...they set him up again the next day at a McDonalds...and he shows up again. That's the definition of sickness.

[rusellmj]

Maybe it's like on cops where the criminals aren't protected but other people have their faces blotted out. I guess it's because the video is evidence and therefore public?

[James Boston]

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I guess it's because the video is evidence and therefore public?

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Here's the thing, and bear in mind I'm talking out of my a** here. I could see that if the police conducted the investigation, but to my knowledge, Dateline acted alone. I also don't think the pervs they caught were arrested. Legally, if you get arrested you become "newsworthy," so details of what you've done, evidence, etc. can be used be the media as it is released by law enforcement. If the media, sans police, reports that you've committed a crime, even with proof, I don't know the legal ramifications. Hence my post.

[Beer and Pizza]

You don't have an expectation of privacy when commiting a crime or intending to commit a crime. Nor were they on their own private property, so they have expectation of privacy for that reason either.

You seem more concerned with hiding the identity of scumbags than protecting children against scumbags. Priority check requested.

[James Boston]

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You seem more concerned with hiding the identity of scumbags than protecting children against scumbags. Priority check requested.

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When have I expressed concern for the well-being of these creeps? I haven't. I'm asking a question about a legal principle, one that could apply in a situation where the "exposed" party isn't a creep.

Example:

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Nor were they on their own private property, so they have expectation of privacy for that reason either.

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If I, you,or anyone go to a girl's place, hook up, she films it with a hidden camera, and releases it on a porn, were we without expectation of privacy just because we were at her place?

[Peter666]

How old were the kids? Was it girls or boys soliciting the men?

[James Boston]

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How old were the kids?

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It was adults claiming to be children. They were claiming ages from 12-14.

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Was it girls or boys soliciting the men?

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Claiming both.

They created various identities of boys and girls of various ages (all minors) and waited for the men to solicit them, in order to avoid entrapment.

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On the Today show preview, Katie Couric was defending these pedophiles, weeping in sympathy for them, but no concern had she for the kids they would abuse.

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How so?

[Jack of Arcades]

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On the Today show preview, Katie Couric was defending these pedophiles, weeping in sympathy for them, but no concern had she for the kids they would abuse.

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How so?

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Probably because this is entrapment.

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On the Today show preview, Katie Couric was defending these pedophiles, weeping in sympathy for them, but no concern had she for the kids they would abuse.

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How so?

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Probably because this is entrapment.

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I'd love to hear exactly what Couric said. Hearing that she 'defended' these guys reminds me of O'Reilly's constant claims the last few months that the left-leaning networks and newspapers are also 'defending' pedophiles, which is ridiculous.

[Los Feliz Slim]

I watched this, and a number of things didn't add up. Wouldn't the police be arresting these guys? A number of them basically admitted, on camera, that they were there to have sex with a minor. IIRC, one says "Hey, I'm a lonely guy." WTF?

[tonypaladino]

If they are aranging the meetups in public places, then there is nothing to prevent NBC from airing video of them. Just like if you are walking down the street and into a camera shot, you have no recourse.

[Peter666]

This is interesting because the age of consent in Canada is 14 years old. If a fourteen year old meets up with someone older this would not be a legal issue.

The guys caught are not really pedophiles if the kids are past puberty. This is more of a social thing. There is a knee jerk reaction that anybody under 18 is totally off limits and it is morally wrong to engage in a sexual relationship with them, where in other cultures this is acceptable practice.

[Iplayragstoo]

Great site for busting ped-O-files (http://perverted-justice.com)