Interesting Poker Stars Observation

[cardcounter0]

Just started playing PokerStars and I have noticed something at the low limits --

Not only are the bad players just as fishy as Party, but many of them multi-table. So, you have multiple chances to take their money.

[1p0kerb0y]

How low are you talking about here?

[cardcounter0]

I had players at $1-$2 flagged as fish, and saw a lot of bad play. Then noticed those same players at 3 and 4 tables.

[BlackRain]

limit holdem you mean? i frequent 1/2 NL and i know several 2+2'ers who do as well. ya the fish are plenty but most dont multitable.

[miajag81]

Party's fishiness as compared to Stars has always been overblown IMO. Don't get me wrong, Party is probably the fishiest, but not much more so than Stars. There's plenty of money to be made in those games (up to and including $200NL at least).

[68Mustang]

I'am about 25k hands into limit.05/.10 on PS. (BB/100 4.5) My observation is.. anyone with a child or self portrait as their avatar is an ATM. It's a vague assumption but steadily being proven.

[Predator314]

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I'am about 25k hands into limit.05/.10 on PS. (BB/100 4.5) My observation is.. anyone with a child or self portrait as their avatar is an ATM. It's a vague assumption but steadily being proven.

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99.99% of the .05/.10 population are donks.

[dogsballs]

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I'am about 25k hands into limit.05/.10 on PS. (BB/100 4.5) My observation is.. anyone with a child or self portrait as their avatar is an ATM. It's a vague assumption but steadily being proven.

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hit up the golfers and baseball players too. The golf/fishiness correlation is fully rubber stamped in my book in gold ink. baseball pics arent far behind.

[tubalkain]

That's about what I saw there.

I'm at .10/.20 now though... and they're still donks.

[MicroBob]

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anyone with a child or self portrait as their avatar

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Yeah...we had a thread about this probably about a year ago or so I think (and I'm pretty sure it comes up occasionally).

Usually any Rounders reference is likely to be golden also.

Now...if you have a baby WITH a rounders-reference....You're not leaving the table until they do!!

PokerStars is set to eclipse Party in total players (especially if Party keeps running those sucky new TV ads), so it makes sense that many will be bad.

[UATrewqaz]

I recently played 7K hands of 1/2 at Stars to clear 3 pending bonuses and you are right, there are lots of terrible players that mulitable and I would see them day after day.

There were alot more TAG's than on PP and this made the bad players stand out even more, but day after day the terrible players were there multi-tabling (I was 6 tabling and there were usually only 6-8 full 1/2 tables going at any given time).

the first 6K hands, - 120 BB
the last 1K hands, +150 BB , for a net of +30 BB and a 0.40 BB/100 rate.

Variance is a biatch... but the $390 worth of bonuses made it worth the time.

[MicroBob]

I'm not concerned with how many Stars has COMPARED to Party.

I just think it's impossible for a site with 40k-50k players during the daytime (and 60k or more at night) to be a total 'tight-aggressive, rock-fest'.
I haven't played much cash-game poker at Stars...but when I have I have found some pretty fishy players.

I mean, there are 50k-freaking players on there. They aren't all Howard Lederer. Especially at the .25/.50 level.

[cardcounter0]

Yes, limit games. I just thought it was interesting that on Party the fish pretty much are at 1 table (lately a 6-max one), while at Stars there is a greater tendency for them to multi-table.

And I had a guy start berating a player when he got his KK cracked after limping in with it on the button. Beat by the SB who had 99, flopped a set, and raised and re-raised it all the way. In the ensuring conversation between the two (after the player had made statements like he never raises AA because he always gets beat), he admited to also playing at two NL tables at the same time.

So this chump was not only multi-tabling, he was mixing NL with Limit games at the same time.

[68Mustang]

PS is definately a gold mine. Even with .10 and .20 limit , max multitabling with no thinking robotic SSH play makes a huge profit and the no-rake taken is a nice bonus.Can't wait for my BR to reach the .25/.50 tables.

[BigBiceps]

I don't understand your example.

Are you saying not to call in the SB with 99 to a late position raise?

Or that he was bad for multiple raises later with a disguised hand?

[ckmo]

i like the 36/2 over 1500 hands with a .8 postflop AF that 4 tables .5/1 with me now. He was playing .25/.50 with me while i came up there too. Poor guy is on a downswing too....

[MicroBob]

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I don't understand your example.

Are you saying not to call in the SB with 99 to a late position raise?

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in his example the button limped-in with KK on the button (he didn't raise).

[Greg J]

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i like the 36/2 over 1500 hands with a .8 postflop AF that 4 tables .5/1 with me now. He was playing .25/.50 with me while i came up there too. Poor guy is on a downswing too....

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Something tells me this is a permanent downswing.

[cardcounter0]

Not only did he limp in on the button, but when the SB flopped his his set, he continued to re-raise the SBs raises all the way to the river. I guess he thought a mere overpair was good, and the SB was capping every turn with top pair? Then whined about losing to the set.
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I see why you guys like no-limit.

[BlackRain]

Oh you are talking about LHE. Then I do agree. I used to multi TAG the 1/2 and 2/4 a lot there. I would see the same people in there day in and day out losing money and on 3 or 4 of my tables. Definetely a few more regular TAGs at 2/4 than 1/2.

[Subby]

I think there is fishiness at mid-limits too, but the difference is while they are a decent number of tables, there still aren't the sheer number of choices you get with party. At 10/20 6 max the other night I had some nice 45/9 type tables running.

[binions]

The play at Stars LHE 2-4 is atrocious by and large. Lots of times you'll find tables where 35%+ see the flop and the average pot is 6-7xBB or more. I am sure the lower limits are even juicier.

Haven't much 3-6 to 5-10 or higher on Stars.

what should the bankroll be at ps ?