This can't be how to play KK

[ggbman]

Villian has not been out of line yet.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

Hero ($2412)
Button ($1774)
SB ($4599)
BB ($1113)
UTG ($2089)
UTG+1 ($3775)
MP1 ($1866)
MP2 ($1947)
MP3 ($970)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $85</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $65, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($220) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $175</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1100</font>, ...

So obviously, this 3 bet will knock him off just about any draw he has. The problem is he will only stick it in here when he has me beat, so i'm never going to get much value with this line. So what's a better line here? Call hte flop and raise a non club turn to get him more committed?

[Yeti]

Call flop.

See what happens on the turn. Think about dumping it if he makes the right bet.

[captZEEbo1]

raise more preflop too, noob. I'd make it 110 preflop...

[ggbman]

Is that standard for you? I havent noticed many people raising more than 4x the BB. I typically make it 110 after about 4 limpers, but should i be doing this more often in even with less ppl. in the pot?

I think they want you to go with 4bb + 1bb for every limper. Is this what most 2+2'ers use at 10-20?

[thabadguy]

3.5+limper is what i use, or u could minraise.

[punter11235]

I use 3.5+ 0.5*limpers but I only play 6max so more than 2limpers is very very rare.

Best wishes

[gol4pro]

I dont play above 3/6, however... here's my thoughts

You've represented a big PP the whole way, and he doesn't seem to care.

85 preflop looks ok... but not perfect. 3.5x + 1BB per limper is usually about right.

I like a flop call and re-evaluate. Update your previous PT hands with him while this is going on to get some kind of read...