Horrible KQ

[Spicymoose]

Sorry I keep doing this, but I just sat down, and no reads. Another line I was debating taking was betting the turn, and checking the river. I think that line is better. Thoughts?


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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, SB folds, MP calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (8 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

[imported_leader]

Take a free turn

[Spicymoose]

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Take a free turn

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I did. So you call the river bet?

[imported_leader]

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Take a free turn

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I did. So you call the river bet?

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No, check the flop. You didn't get a free turn you got a 1BB turn.

[Spicymoose]

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Take a free turn

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I did. So you call the river bet?

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No, check the flop. You didn't get a free turn you got a 1BB turn.

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Sorry, my mistake. You don't think we have enough folding equity (with a continuation on the turn if the conditions are right), along with our overcards and backdoor flush to bet this flop?

[waffle]

check flop. (this may be results oriented. but i don't think i like it with a somewhat coordinated flop in a 4-way pot.)

i don't understand the river call. you can only beat a bluff but MP is also still in the pot waiting to act after you do.

[Spicymoose]

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i don't understand the river call. you can only beat a bluff but MP is also still in the pot waiting to act after you do.

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The way CO plays, it sure looks like he has a draw. MP could easily have a draw as well. There are is a lot of straight and flush potential out there.

I remember reading in TOP that if you are going to induce a bluff, you must call. Does that apply here? Does MP ruin everything? Would you call HU?

[RiverTheNuts]

if you do anything on the river, you should raise, though that looks retarded as well... check the flop, fold the turn U/I

Raising this river is feasable if something decent comes; but you cant represent anything here that you raised 2 limpers with; and when you cant raise and you cant call, theres only one option left. Take the free card with 6 outs, raise a bet if you hit; and call one if you pick up a flush draw.

[waffle]

i think mp does ruin everything. when you call, you only win when both of them were on draws. i think the third player in the pot makes a call unprofitable. if it were hu i would call.

a ballsy play would be to raise, hoping that MP is holding on to a small pair that he will release and that CO was on a busted draw and will fold. i don't know if the conditions here make this profitable and it's a play that i've read about in theory but never have the gumption to actually execute.