naphand
11-13-2005, 02:58 PM
Another low content post but what the hell - I have had a ridiculous week.
One thing Feeney does not really deal with in his excellent book is the mind of really stupid LAG-type players.
Let us be really clear about this; online we are making a LOT of money playing against players like those involved below. It is not just about loose-passives. Hands like these crop up really quite regularly - or at least they do if you pick the kind of tables I do. Such examples serve to remind us just WHY and WHO we are making the money from. Learn to love them as they run-over you with their abysmal play.
BEFORE LAG-realisation
$5/$10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Button has J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, MP calls, Button calls.
Flop: (12.40 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls.
Turn: (7.70 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, Button folds.
River: (9.70 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks.
Final Pot: 9.70 BB
Results:
BB has 3h 2h (one pair, aces).
MP has 9d 9s (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: MP wins 9.70 BB.
LAG-realisation
$5/$10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: BB has Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB checks.
Flop: (3.00 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls.
Turn: (6.00 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">SB folds</font>, BB calls.
River: (13.00 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls (all-in).
Final Pot: 17.00 BB
Results:
BB has Qs Ts (full house, tens full of queens).
UTG has 8c 7h (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: BB wins 17 BB. </font>
AFTER LAG-realisation
$5/$10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: SB has 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: (12 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls.
Turn: (12 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Button checks.
River: (12 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Button folds.
Final Pot: 14 BB
Results:
SB has 8h Ah (two pair, aces and eights).
BB has Js Ts (high card, ace).
Outcome: Naphand wins 14 BB.
$5/$10 Hold'em (4 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Button has Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Button calls.
Flop: (9.40 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG calls.
Turn: (8.70 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Button calls.
River: (14.70 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG calls.
Final Pot: 16.70 BB
Results:
UTG has Kh Qh (one pair, sevens).
Button has Qc Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: Button wins 16.70 BB.
And finally, there are a number of LAGs who will NEVER FOLD once they get into a fight (like the 23s hand above). Note the chat after the play here...
$5/$10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: CO has A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Button calls.
Flop: (9.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls.
Turn: (5.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls.
River: (7.70 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls.
Final Pot: 9.70 BB
Results:
CO has Ad As (one pair, aces).
Button has Kh 3h (high card, king).
Outcome: CO wins 9.70 BB.
Button: "i thought so"
Button: "had to see"
All from the last 2-3 days (and there are quite a few more). The time of year? Good times... /images/graemlins/grin.gif
One thing Feeney does not really deal with in his excellent book is the mind of really stupid LAG-type players.
Let us be really clear about this; online we are making a LOT of money playing against players like those involved below. It is not just about loose-passives. Hands like these crop up really quite regularly - or at least they do if you pick the kind of tables I do. Such examples serve to remind us just WHY and WHO we are making the money from. Learn to love them as they run-over you with their abysmal play.
BEFORE LAG-realisation
$5/$10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Button has J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, MP calls, Button calls.
Flop: (12.40 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls.
Turn: (7.70 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, Button folds.
River: (9.70 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks.
Final Pot: 9.70 BB
Results:
BB has 3h 2h (one pair, aces).
MP has 9d 9s (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: MP wins 9.70 BB.
LAG-realisation
$5/$10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: BB has Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB checks.
Flop: (3.00 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls.
Turn: (6.00 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">SB folds</font>, BB calls.
River: (13.00 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls (all-in).
Final Pot: 17.00 BB
Results:
BB has Qs Ts (full house, tens full of queens).
UTG has 8c 7h (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: BB wins 17 BB. </font>
AFTER LAG-realisation
$5/$10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: SB has 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: (12 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls.
Turn: (12 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Button checks.
River: (12 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Button folds.
Final Pot: 14 BB
Results:
SB has 8h Ah (two pair, aces and eights).
BB has Js Ts (high card, ace).
Outcome: Naphand wins 14 BB.
$5/$10 Hold'em (4 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Button has Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Button calls.
Flop: (9.40 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG calls.
Turn: (8.70 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Button calls.
River: (14.70 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG calls.
Final Pot: 16.70 BB
Results:
UTG has Kh Qh (one pair, sevens).
Button has Qc Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: Button wins 16.70 BB.
And finally, there are a number of LAGs who will NEVER FOLD once they get into a fight (like the 23s hand above). Note the chat after the play here...
$5/$10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.fourthnut.com/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: CO has A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Button calls.
Flop: (9.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls.
Turn: (5.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls.
River: (7.70 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls.
Final Pot: 9.70 BB
Results:
CO has Ad As (one pair, aces).
Button has Kh 3h (high card, king).
Outcome: CO wins 9.70 BB.
Button: "i thought so"
Button: "had to see"
All from the last 2-3 days (and there are quite a few more). The time of year? Good times... /images/graemlins/grin.gif