How much aggression is right?

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No reads on MP1.

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, 1 fold</font>, Hero raises</font>, 3 folds</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)</font>
MP1 bets</font>, Hero . . .

[Vote4Pedro]

Raising this flop is a perfect example of bad aggression...I'm comfortable with folding this flop

I'm going to let this hand go before it gets out of control. You could possibly raise that flop once if the villain is awfully weak, but beyond that I think you have to accept you lost this one.

[Stealthy]

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Ultimate Bet 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

No reads on MP1.

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, 1 fold</font>, Hero raises</font>, 3 folds</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)</font>
MP1 bets</font>, Hero . . .

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Folds. You have no hand, no draw and any possible outs are tainted beyond reason. Drop it without a second thought and move on.

[Fryguy]

This is weird that he donks into you instead of check/raising. Even still, you most likely aren't going to get him to fold, and he's probably got you beat. Easy fold.

[ajm36]

I think you can fold here. He may be betting the K or the flush draw. At most you have four outs (the A /images/graemlins/diamond.gifand 10 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif are shot) and the 10's may be gone altogether. Don't forget you may already be drawing dead. Fold here and save your money.

[Display Name]

thank you for your comments. I realize that the AT suited raise is wrong. Those clubs just looked so purty at the time.

By the way, I did fold the hand. I'm glad everyone thought it was the right play.

Regards
Bill

I'd fold. The pot is too small to chase your non-diamond outs. A reasonable single diamond won't fold here.

[Greg J]

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I realize that the AT suited raise is wrong.

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I raise this preflop everytime. Good flop fold.

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Raising this flop is a perfect example of bad aggression...I'm comfortable with folding this flop

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I don't really understand this comment???

A suited Ace high with good kicker against one limping opponent and you wouldn't raise.

Seems like you would be ahead preflop a majority of the time.

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thank you for your comments. I realize that the AT suited raise is wrong. Those clubs just looked so purty at the time.

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I think the fact that it is "purty/suited" makes this a strong preflop holding and is worthy of a value raise. The Ace alone makes it strong HU against a limper.

Why do you think the raise is wrong? Work your argument for not raising and see if it holds up in your own mind.

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Raising this flop is a perfect example of bad aggression...I'm comfortable with folding this flop

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I don't really understand this comment???

A suited Ace high with good kicker against one limping opponent and you wouldn't raise.

Seems like you would be ahead preflop a majority of the time.

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we're ahead a lot pre-flop yes, but when we get bet into on this all-diamond flop by the limper, we're unlikely to be ahead. What happens when the A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif falls?

[Boolean]

/grunch/
Hero folds.

[A_K]

Grunch.

PF raise is fine. Though there is a reasonably good chance villan is bluffing (many fish would check-raise here, or check-call and check-raise the turn if they flopped a flush) I still wouldn't call.