KK still good on the turn (no Ace on board)? [Archive]

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11-13-2005, 05:11 AM

What's my play on the turn? Fold given the flop action, raise and check/call the river or call down to the river?

If he hit the flop, the second Jack on the turn likely further improved his hand.

I hate letting the kings go here. If I keep them, should I keep raising or passively call it down?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
5 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, SB calls.

Flop: (4.00 SB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.00 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero ...

adsman

11-13-2005, 05:21 AM

A read would be very helpful here. Specifically, does he go aggro with draws?

ArturiusX

11-13-2005, 06:12 AM

In a blind war, things can get pretty hairy, but Im inclined to call down. I could see him folding to a turn raise too if he didn't have a jack (one of those big laydowns).

11-13-2005, 06:29 AM

Both 3betting and folding are real options if I have an especially aggressive or passive read on the guy. Without a read, I'd probably call down and hate myself in the morning.

11-13-2005, 07:13 AM

why has noone mentioned those 3 little words

"cap the flop."

call down from the turn unless you improve.

Schwartzy61

11-13-2005, 07:42 AM

I cap the flop...which leads to different decisions on the turn but alas...

and then you can either muck the turn, raise and fold to a 3-bet or call down. I honestly like the first option best unless I know this guy has the ability to be that agressive heads up with second pair and a draw...

11-14-2005, 01:17 AM

Thanks for the feedback. Let me continue the turn play (assume no read on the SB)

Turn: SB Bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero ...?

Would you fold right here or still call it down?

11-14-2005, 01:21 AM

My practice has been too cap this flop too, but lately I'm wondering if calling the 3-bet with the intention to raise the turn isn't more profitable? At least vs. an aggressive opponent doesn't it seem like you net an extra 1/2 bet this way when you're ahead? I guess the counter-argument is you lose more when you're behind, but I'd think you're ahead more than you're behind here.

tyler_cracker

11-14-2005, 01:23 AM

If you raise the turn, i think you have to fold to a 3-bet. This is why capping the flop or calling down are more palatable.