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afish
06-23-2003, 08:16 AM
I'm on the button in a 10-20 hand with AQs. Four callers to me, I raise, both blinds call and everyone calls. Seven players see the flop for two bets each.

Flop is KcJdTh. SB checks, BB bets, one caller to me, I raise, SB three bets, BB calls, original caller folds, I cap, and both blinds call.

Turn is 4h. SB checks, BB checks, I bet, SB raises, BB calls, I raise, and both call.

River is 4s. Checked to me. Do you check or bet?

DKNY
06-23-2003, 10:45 AM
How well do you know your opponents here, are they the type that will limp in with KK, JJ or TT? I think it's unlikely your opponents have those hands since they didn't raise pre-flop. All that action on the flop probabaly means 2 pairs from your opponents. If SB had a set, I don't see why he wouldn't raise you again on the river.

I would bet the river.

polarbear
06-23-2003, 11:00 AM
You lose to a set, and beat everything else. The SB could have a set, but he'd probably bet out on the river if he had one, since he'd be afraid you'd check because of all those raises he put in previously. BTW, the SB might just call preflop with TT/JJ/KK because he was the SB.

More likely, it looks like SB has Q9 for a lower straight, or a flopped two pair. I would bet and expect to get called.

afish
06-23-2003, 10:07 PM
I bet, SB called, BB raised, I called, SB called. BB turned over TT for a boat on the river. SB said he had AQ.

haakee
06-23-2003, 11:40 PM
I would bet the river. You may very well be up against smaller straights or two pair. Also most people would have bet out on the river with a full house.

Ed S.
06-24-2003, 02:05 AM
Well I would check here. It sure seems like that you may of beenn up vs a flop set vs a floped str8(your str8). Now with turn and river bringing 4,4 you are only going to lose to a boat or 4 of a kind. So if you bet and are raised you are mostlikely beat. One other thing. Your opponent in SB may have flopped two pair. If this is so then you have him the whole way.

Ed S.

bad beetz
06-24-2003, 03:54 AM
since it's the SB who's doing the three betting, you should just call the flop 3-bet so you can trap the BB on the turn for two big ones. If it were the BB as the aggressor I'd just say f*ck it and cap the flop.

hopefully he's got a pair/gutshot and will come along.



absolutely bet the river. You have to put him on the second-nut straight, and neither of them have a four. I think the chance you're up against a boat that is check-raising you on the river is VERY small, so bet and call a raise.

bad beetz
06-24-2003, 03:59 AM
the small blind was lying to you and had Q9. AQ would have re-raised you on the turn. I don't know why people do that.

elysium
06-24-2003, 04:15 AM
hi afish
since a set is unlikely given the pre-flop action, bet. you're likely against 2 pair and a lower straight, or possibly the same straight. but not a boat. and i'm double checking here.....nope, no flush possible. pretty good bet on the river.

Walter
06-24-2003, 04:16 PM
Did the BB misplay by not 3-betting BTF? why not try to get some of the limpers out for another 2 bets?

Pot-A
06-24-2003, 08:37 PM
I wouldn't bet the river. BB has to have a full house.

Pot-A
06-24-2003, 08:39 PM
No reason for him to three-bet, since he probably can't win without the set. More betting would reduce the value of his implied odds.

Walter
06-25-2003, 04:07 PM
agreed on the implied odds if everyone stays, but if 3-betting can get it 3-way, then it seems there is a more-than decent chance that 10s can hold up.

Pot-A
06-25-2003, 06:28 PM
I don't like three-way either. If I don't think I can get it heads-up I don't raise.