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BIGRED

11-12-2005, 03:43 PM

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For now please comment on the preflop call. I have no reads on anyone. I will post the rest of the hand later.

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

brazilio

11-12-2005, 03:49 PM

I make calls like that as well, especially if you think it's an isolation. I've recently been wondering if stuff like J9o and Q9o, etc are actually +EV in the BB making calls like that though, but I'd need a massive number of hands to figure out profitability of hands like that.

BIGRED

11-12-2005, 04:07 PM

I suppose the flop call is questionable, but I don't think it's all that bad. Please tell me if you guys think otherwise... that it's bad, without a doubt.

BIGRED

11-12-2005, 04:09 PM

7ontheline

11-12-2005, 04:19 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP calls, SB calls.

[/ QUOTE ]

I like it all so far. Two callers kinda sucks bad though. I would proceed very carefully on the turn, and be ready to give this up soon if necessary. You could easily be behind and a lot of cards that improve you also finish draws. Lots of outs against you too, I'm sure.

BIGRED

11-12-2005, 04:57 PM

so you don't think the preflop and the flop was bad on my part?

BongRips

11-12-2005, 05:00 PM

I call that preflop every time.

Starzinger

11-12-2005, 05:00 PM

I think it looks good aswell. I would probably give up pretty easily on the turn though, unless you improve.

BIGRED

11-12-2005, 05:05 PM

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets, SB calls, Hero folds.

River: (9 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, MP bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Starzinger

11-12-2005, 05:17 PM

Im not sure you can fold that with the gutshot draw coming in though. You're very likely to have 6 outs, and getting 9-1 on your call is a little bit too much too fold.

KDawgCometh

11-12-2005, 05:32 PM

i'm folding PF

KDawgCometh

11-12-2005, 05:33 PM

i dig on the flop play. reading some of the replies, I do wonder if I'm missing out on some solid situations by folding PF

KDawgCometh

11-12-2005, 05:35 PM

I'd rather lead the turn and fold to a raise. teh CC on teh flop by the MP sucks, but we do have some outs going into the river if we are just called

Starzinger

11-12-2005, 06:26 PM

Why are you bet/folding the turn? You have a gutshot and 2 outs for trips, you're getting odds to draw, and i doubt you'll get everyone to fold to one bet.
And you'll get like 10-1 if you bet and he raises, so that cant be right.

Spicymoose

11-12-2005, 08:01 PM

I like your flop play, but you gotta call that turn with your large number of outs. Preflop is very marginal, getting 7:1. I think I remember Andrew Prock saying something about how unsuited 0-1 gappers need about 12:1 odds or so. Also, considering you are out of position, and possibly dominated, I don't really like it.

ArturiusX

11-12-2005, 08:05 PM

Call the turn.

BIGRED

11-12-2005, 11:16 PM

What if I told you guys, I can even hit an open end straight and a flush combo, let alone something like this. Yea, I know what you guys are saying about the turn... seems like a bad fold. The way things have been going for me lately, if I did stay in and did hit something, it probably would have been something to give me the 2nd best hand.... I wouldve probably hit the 9 to give action to a flopped set... sorry for the rant and thx for the feedbacks.

climber

11-12-2005, 11:59 PM

LOL!

It just took me like 5 minutes to figure out you were in the BB.

I was going insane, freaking out and getting ready to leave HUSH thinking everyone was telling you to call two-cold with J9o not closing the action.

Ok deep breaths...