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11-12-2005, 12:46 PM
------HAND 5------
Game #1303337893: Hold'em NL (75/150) - 2005/11/12 - 15:48:51 (BST)
Table "50BONUS 1371261 - 1" Seat 9 is the button.
Seat 2: inmate1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: NevadaKaz (3375 in chips)
Seat 4: thezapper (2055 in chips)
Seat 5: petla (5125 in chips)
Seat 6: MISSPOKER (4940 in chips)
Seat 8: rubbernut (3220 in chips)
Seat 9: largelugs (1430 in chips)
Seat 10: samspade (2665 in chips)
samspade: posts small blind 75
inmate1: posts big blind 150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to NevadaKaz [Jc Js]
NevadaKaz: raises to 450
thezapper: folds
petla: folds
MISSPOKER: folds
rubbernut: folds
largelugs: folds
samspade: folds
inmate1: folds
Returned uncalled bets 300 to NevadaKaz
NevadaKaz: doesn't show hand
NevadaKaz collected 375 from Main pot


------HAND 6------
Game #1303337903: Hold'em NL (75/150) - 2005/11/12 - 15:49:23 (BST)
Table "50BONUS 1371261 - 1" Seat 10 is the button.
Seat 2: inmate1 (1350 in chips)
Seat 3: NevadaKaz (3600 in chips)
Seat 4: thezapper (2055 in chips)
Seat 5: petla (5125 in chips)
Seat 6: MISSPOKER (4940 in chips)
Seat 8: rubbernut (3220 in chips)
Seat 9: largelugs (1430 in chips)
Seat 10: samspade (2590 in chips)
inmate1: posts small blind 75
NevadaKaz: posts big blind 150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to NevadaKaz [Jh Jc]
thezapper: folds
petla: folds
MISSPOKER: raises to 300
rubbernut: folds
largelugs: folds
samspade: folds
inmate1: folds
NevadaKaz: calls 150
----- FLOP ----- [Kd Ah 5d]
NevadaKaz: checks
MISSPOKER: bets 150
NevadaKaz: calls 150
----- TURN ----- [Kd Ah 5d][7c]
NevadaKaz: checks
MISSPOKER: bets 1050
NevadaKaz: folds
Returned uncalled bets 1,050 to MISSPOKER
MISSPOKER: doesn't show hand
MISSPOKER collected 975 from Main pot
Didn't want to raise this second pair of jacks in a row, as I didn't want it to look like a steal, then somebody come over the top and I have to lay them down. Is this a cowardly way of thinking ?

------HAND 7------
Game #1303337913: Hold'em NL (75/150) - 2005/11/12 - 15:50:13 (BST)
Table "50BONUS 1371261 - 1" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 2: inmate1 (1275 in chips)
Seat 3: NevadaKaz (3150 in chips)
Seat 4: thezapper (2055 in chips)
Seat 5: petla (5125 in chips)
Seat 6: MISSPOKER (5465 in chips)
Seat 8: rubbernut (3220 in chips)
Seat 9: largelugs (1430 in chips)
Seat 10: samspade (2590 in chips)
NevadaKaz: posts small blind 75
thezapper: posts big blind 150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to NevadaKaz [Jh Js]
petla: folds
MISSPOKER: folds
rubbernut: folds
largelugs: folds
samspade: folds
inmate1: folds
NevadaKaz: raises to 3150 and is all-in
thezapper: folds
Returned uncalled bets 3,000 to NevadaKaz
----- SHOW DOWN -----
NevadaKaz: shows [Jh Js] (Jack Hearts and Jack Spades)
NevadaKaz collected 300 from Main pot

Too aggressive ?


------HAND 9------
Game #1303337933: Hold'em NL (100/200) - 2005/11/12 - 15:51:07 (BST)
Table "50BONUS 1371261 - 1" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 2: inmate1 (1275 in chips)
Seat 3: NevadaKaz (3300 in chips)
Seat 4: thezapper (1705 in chips)
Seat 5: petla (5325 in chips)
Seat 6: MISSPOKER (5465 in chips)
Seat 8: rubbernut (3220 in chips)
Seat 9: largelugs (1430 in chips)
Seat 10: samspade (2590 in chips)
petla: posts small blind 100
MISSPOKER: posts big blind 200
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to NevadaKaz [Kd Kc]
rubbernut: calls 200
largelugs: folds
samspade: folds
inmate1: calls 200
NevadaKaz: raises to 3300 and is all-in
thezapper: folds
petla: folds
MISSPOKER: folds
rubbernut: is all-in 3020
inmate1: is all-in 1075
Returned uncalled bets 80 to NevadaKaz
----- FLOP ----- [Jd 9s Js]
----- TURN ----- [Jd 9s Js][8s]
----- RIVER ----- [Jd 9s Js 8s][7h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
NevadaKaz: shows [Kd Kc] (Two Pairs, Kings and Jacks, Nine high)
rubbernut: shows [As Ah] (Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks, Nine high)
inmate1: shows [Ac 6c] (A Pair of Jacks, Ace high)
rubbernut collected 3890 from Side pot #1
rubbernut collected 4125 from Main pot

Lastly just for kicks, I get pockets kings, I think I played them right ? Oh how I wish I had my jacks LOL
nath
11-12-2005, 03:48 PM
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Didn't want to raise this second pair of jacks in a row, as I didn't want it to look like a steal, then somebody come over the top and I have to lay them down. Is this a cowardly way of thinking ?

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Yes. If you think people are going to come over the top of you with less because they think you're stealing, have the courage to go with your hand.

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NevadaKaz: raises to 3150 and is all-in
thezapper: folds
Returned uncalled bets 3,000 to NevadaKaz
----- SHOW DOWN -----
NevadaKaz: shows [Jh Js] (Jack Hearts and Jack Spades)
NevadaKaz collected 300 from Main pot

Too aggressive ?

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Uh, yeah. Did you want to get value from your hand or not?


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------HAND 9------
Game #1303337933: Hold'em NL (100/200) - 2005/11/12 - 15:51:07 (BST)
Table "50BONUS 1371261 - 1" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 2: inmate1 (1275 in chips)
Seat 3: NevadaKaz (3300 in chips)
Seat 4: thezapper (1705 in chips)
Seat 5: petla (5325 in chips)
Seat 6: MISSPOKER (5465 in chips)
Seat 8: rubbernut (3220 in chips)
Seat 9: largelugs (1430 in chips)
Seat 10: samspade (2590 in chips)
petla: posts small blind 100
MISSPOKER: posts big blind 200
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to NevadaKaz [Kd Kc]
rubbernut: calls 200
largelugs: folds
samspade: folds
inmate1: calls 200
NevadaKaz: raises to 3300 and is all-in
thezapper: folds
petla: folds
MISSPOKER: folds
rubbernut: is all-in 3020
inmate1: is all-in 1075
Returned uncalled bets 80 to NevadaKaz
----- FLOP ----- [Jd 9s Js]
----- TURN ----- [Jd 9s Js][8s]
----- RIVER ----- [Jd 9s Js 8s][7h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
NevadaKaz: shows [Kd Kc] (Two Pairs, Kings and Jacks, Nine high)
rubbernut: shows [As Ah] (Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks, Nine high)
inmate1: shows [Ac 6c] (A Pair of Jacks, Ace high)
rubbernut collected 3890 from Side pot #1
rubbernut collected 4125 from Main pot

Lastly just for kicks, I get pockets kings, I think I played them right ? Oh how I wish I had my jacks LOL

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What's with all the overbets all-in?
11-12-2005, 04:00 PM
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Yes. If you think people are going to come over the top of you with less because they think you're stealing, have the courage to go with your hand.

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Thanks, I will try it.

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Uh, yeah. Did you want to get value from your hand or not?

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I could not think of a way to get value from this hand. Hence the donkish overbet. If the flop come with a card higher than my jacks, I know I would not have been comfortable calling a bet. I suppose in my stupidity, I went all in hoping to pick up his big blind, and if he called, I would have crossed my fingers and hope for the best.



[/ QUOTE ]What's with all the overbets all-in?

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My thinking here was to get rid of weak aces. As you can see one of the callers was A,6, this was the type of holding I wanted to get rid of, as if an Ace hit the board again, I would not be comfortable betting. As with my overbet into the BB, I was hoping for lay downs, oviously any weak ace caller I am ahead of. I am dominated by 1 hand, unfortunately for me, I ran into it.

I thank you for your comments, and welcome more.
nath
11-12-2005, 05:18 PM
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I could not think of a way to get value from this hand. Hence the donkish overbet. If the flop come with a card higher than my jacks, I know I would not have been comfortable calling a bet. I suppose in my stupidity, I went all in hoping to pick up his big blind, and if he called, I would have crossed my fingers and hope for the best.

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Stacks are pretty big still. 4-5xBB should be fine. If he calls then you can proceed. Pushing is probably the safest way to play it but not the one that maximizes value.

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My thinking here was to get rid of weak aces. As you can see one of the callers was A,6, this was the type of holding I wanted to get rid of, as if an Ace hit the board again, I would not be comfortable betting. As with my overbet into the BB, I was hoping for lay downs, oviously any weak ace caller I am ahead of. I am dominated by 1 hand, unfortunately for me, I ran into it.

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Thing is, you don't REALLY want to get rid of weak aces. You're happy to see them call because you're a good favorite against them, and the ace doesn't hit the board too often. If you're up against a player you know will play any ace and not lay it down if he pairs, then you probably have to give it up, yeah. But in the meantime you can squeeze a lot of value from players who play hands like that when you have something good.

OTOH, pushing all-in seems to have actually gotten a call from a bad hand, so in that sense it 'worked' (though for the life of me I can't understand why he called with A6s after two all-ins. But those players make MTTs profitable...)