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SlyGuy
11-12-2005, 03:45 AM
This is what happens when i run badly.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, MP calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB
Stinkybeaver
11-12-2005, 04:08 AM
READS..!!!

Anywho I'll be kind a happy when I sitback with my UI flushdraw and you fold the turn.

givin the preflop and flop line here theres a better chance that he has a K however I'm not folding this unless another overcard or a diamond hits.
vinnox
11-12-2005, 04:31 AM
Fold the flop or call down. Given his pf raise I would lean to a flop fold.
Escape
11-12-2005, 04:52 AM
I'd fold the flop most likely if our opponent isn't a complete donk. He will occasionally play a FD like this, however he'll show you a K the majority of the time.
BongRips
11-12-2005, 09:18 AM
I call down if the player is even relatively aggro
Spicymoose
11-12-2005, 09:22 AM
Call down if he is pretty agro, fold the flop if he isn't. I don't see why you call the flop only to fold the turn.
Cerril
11-12-2005, 09:25 AM
I'd call the safe turn card and call any nonace river. MP could definitely have you beat, but he could very easily have a 9 or a draw (even something like TJ/JQ, especially if he has a diamond) or a big ace that missed. I don't think you're ahead but you're getting slightly better than 8:2 on a calldown, and I do think you're alright 25%. Having the Td adds a tiny fraction of equity against a possible flush draw as well, though that's not a huge thing.

If you do decide to fold this, no matter what he shows you, I'd be considering orbiting out and taking a break for 20 minutes or so if you are running bad. This sort of hand is demoralizing when you fold it. (it isn't thrilling if you play and lose, but that can be easier to shrug off as genuine bad luck - then you need to make sure your image isn't that of a loser)
Cerril
11-12-2005, 09:27 AM
Second this... Image is important but if you're running bad, saving bets is better. If I had to make this play twice at the same table I'd probably take a break though.
TStoneMBD
11-12-2005, 05:06 PM
id 3bet the flop and bet the turn so you get to showdown for 1 less sb.
imported_leader
11-12-2005, 05:59 PM
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call a cap fold the turn UI? Fold to a turn C/R?
TStoneMBD
11-13-2005, 05:53 AM
yes, precisely.
einbert
11-13-2005, 06:08 AM
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id 3bet the flop and bet the turn so you get to showdown for 1 less sb.

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Spicymoose
11-13-2005, 09:02 AM
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id 3bet the flop and bet the turn so you get to showdown for 1 less sb.

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I like your line, and I think I should start using it. Do you fold if he decides to lead either the turn or river?
TStoneMBD
11-13-2005, 09:03 AM
i think if he donks the turn you have to fold if you dont pick up outs. if i bet the turn and he donks a blank river i think id call it.
Spicymoose
11-13-2005, 09:06 AM
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i think if he donks the turn you have to fold if you dont pick up outs. if i bet the turn and he donks a blank river i think id call it.

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Including scare cards such as diamonds, aces, or the ace of diamonds? You are doing this in the attempts he is trying to bluff a scare card?
11-13-2005, 09:12 AM
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READS..!!!

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TheMetetron
11-13-2005, 10:04 AM
TStone is spot on.

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Schizo
11-13-2005, 03:50 PM
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i think if he donks the turn you have to fold if you dont pick up outs. if i bet the turn and he donks a blank river i think id call it.

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Why? turn is a 4? couldn't he just donk w/ 2nd pair or anything but top pair? Or any draw he might pick up.
gildwulf
11-13-2005, 04:02 PM
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id 3bet the flop and bet the turn so you get to showdown for 1 less sb.

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Is this your standard line against someone with no reads?
Schizo
11-14-2005, 01:37 PM
bump bump bumpity bump


Schizo!!!!!!!