UB $5.50 - 2nd nut flush, Paired board [Archive]

zPro

11-11-2005, 08:19 PM

30/60 level

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB (t1835)
Hero (t965)
UTG+1 (t3115)
MP1 (t375)
MP2 (t1755)
MP3 (t1770)
CO (t1230)
Button (t2815)
SB (t1140)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls t60,1 fold, MP1 raises to t120, MP2 calls t120, MP3 calls t120, 1 fold, Button calls t120, 1 fold, BB calls t60, Hero calls t60.

Flop: (t750) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t750) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t500, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to t1000, Button folds, BB folds, Hero calls

What should I be doing on the turn here?
Fold Pre-flop, too?

bluefeet

11-11-2005, 09:20 PM

Yes you should fold PF. This coming from someone that doesn't always fold "fold PF" hands. When you're in that foggy area, finding yourself on the short end, but no where near desperate, I'm not opposed to seeing an extra flop or two before the blinds remove limping possibilities.

But position is the key. It's not so much your hand as it is your position. UTG 9-handed presents more than one problem for you. For starters, our goal is to get in cheap (assuming for the sake of arguement we want to see a flop with '??'). The likelihood of getting to the flop unraised is not good. Even without the raise, we're looking at taking a flop that needs to be near perfect to proceed OOP. Open-limping (MP-late), or limping late with another might give you the flop-action information you need to proceed with or without having improved your hand.

BUT...you limped.
You got minraised.
4 more came along for the ride.

[proceeding with the understanding that with our limp, we are venturing into some dangerous territory]

You are getting rediculous odds to see the flop w/ this draw friendly hand - despite the unlikihood that we'll be able to proceed post-flop. Good call.

And a generous flop it was. "check" - perfect. No reason to build this pot/get pushed off it. You certainly aren't taking it down into 5 other hands.

Turn - bingo. (this is the part where you're fixing to lose all your chips)

Your lead amount is just about perfect. You will either pick up a very nice pot, take a nut-flusher to the river w/o the odds to do so, or get pushed over by a "T" or the nut-flush (or some goofy boat).

6-handed, it is quite likely that you are up against the nut-flush. But rewinding back to your decision to limp, you do not have an out here (assuming you might be looking for one). You hold the 2nd nut-flush. You got to the flop relatively cheap. You got to the turn for free. You're going broke here. <-period.