To all of the downswing whiners around here [Archive]

johnnybeef

11-11-2005, 12:11 AM

I just wanted to let you know what is possible. I beat the 55s for 12% over a 2200 sample earlier in the year. Thanks to a vegas trip and poor game selection at nl ring, I am rebuilding at the 22s currently. Just wanted to let you know that currently after 225 22s, Im break even.

Have a nice day.
Beefcake

SuitedSixes

11-11-2005, 12:12 AM

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I just wanted to let you know what is possible. I beat the 55s for 12% over a 2200 sample earlier in the year. Thanks to a vegas trip and poor game selection at nl ring, I am rebuilding at the 22s currently. Just wanted to let you know that currently after 225 22s, Im break even.

Have a nice day.
Beefcake

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I haven't has a losing week since July (when you recommended the Greenstein book) . . . bitch.

davehwm

11-11-2005, 12:20 AM

So my 8 straight OOTM in my 4th day at the $33s isn't a big deal?

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Freudian

11-11-2005, 12:20 AM

As long as I don't cash out, I'm fine. I think I'm lifetime at around -30% ROI counting only two days following a cashout (sample size ~500 SnGs). /images/graemlins/smile.gif

fluorescenthippo

11-11-2005, 12:36 AM

i beat the 55s for a 13% roi over 4500 games this summer. I had a horrible run over the next 1200 games and right now Im back at the 22s and 33s.

i was also down $300 after my last 300 33s. i hate variance

johnnybeef

11-11-2005, 12:40 AM

Gramps

11-11-2005, 12:52 AM

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I just wanted to let you know what is possible. I beat the 55s for 12% over a 2200 sample earlier in the year. Thanks to a vegas trip and poor game selection at nl ring, I am rebuilding at the 22s currently. Just wanted to let you know that currently after 225 22s, Im break even.

Have a nice day.
Beefcake

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Thanks, I feel a lot better now about my 15 buy-in drop in the Step 5's over my last 50, as well as my recent 45 buy-in drop in the 215s after scorching them at ~20% for > 500.

Now, about the pot calling the kettle black (and I'm guilty as well, it would appear)...

ace_in_the_hole

11-11-2005, 01:10 AM

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I just wanted to let you know what is possible. I beat the 55s for 12% over a 2200 sample earlier in the year. Thanks to a vegas trip and poor game selection at nl ring, I am rebuilding at the 22s currently. Just wanted to let you know that currently after 225 22s, Im break even.

Have a nice day.
Beefcake

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Thanks, I feel a lot better now about my 15 buy-in drop in the Step 5's over my last 50, as well as my recent 45 buy-in drop in the 215s after scorching them at ~20% for > 500.

Now, about the pot calling the kettle black (and I'm guilty as well, it would appear)...

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DAMN! You are my hero for being able to say that as winning player, cause you must be making lots 'o' loot all the other time.

11-11-2005, 01:19 AM

I play the $20 games well and I also win money and hope to play the $30 game soon.

Daliman

11-11-2005, 01:39 AM

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as well as my recent 45 buy-in drop in the 215s after scorching them at ~20% for > 500.

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Wow. We just might be the same person....

Daliman

11-11-2005, 01:40 AM

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I just wanted to let you know what is possible. I beat the 55s for 12% over a 2200 sample earlier in the year. Thanks to a vegas trip and poor game selection at nl ring, I am rebuilding at the 22s currently. Just wanted to let you know that currently after 225 22s, Im break even.

Have a nice day.
Beefcake

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Thanks, I feel a lot better now about my 15 buy-in drop in the Step 5's over my last 50, as well as my recent 45 buy-in drop in the 215s after scorching them at ~20% for > 500.

Now, about the pot calling the kettle black (and I'm guilty as well, it would appear)...

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DAMN! You are my hero for being able to say that as winning player, cause you must be making lots 'o' loot all the other time.

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NO FAIR! /images/graemlins/mad.gif

I'm down WAY more! I wanna be your hero!

SlackerMcFly

11-11-2005, 02:18 AM

I will never, ever (did I say never?) neverever slow play trips ever again. Ever and never again. There is only one never and it's ever forever. Forever and ever, it's never now. Everybody got that? Ever.

McMoJoJoJo

Bigwig

11-11-2005, 02:47 AM

Huh. I went for 15% at the $55s over 2000 games, and thought that sucked. So I've been playing $33s to master 8tabling. Of course, that 15% included 7% over the last 1200.

My ROI on the $33s has taken a hit lately. I'm down to 21%. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

EDIT--My point is that perhaps I expect a bit too much of myself. I'm probably not THAT good. Heh.

Exitonly

11-11-2005, 02:51 AM

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Beefcake

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I'm so beefcake i can't fit through the door.

Beefcake. BEEFCAKE!

The Don

11-11-2005, 03:19 AM

You're not that good. It isn't a downswing.... YOU'RE MEDIOCRE. It is still decent money compared with a normal hourly wage job so take solice in that.

Seadood228

11-11-2005, 03:26 AM

Ok I'll bite.

Daliman is the most heroist person I know. Seriously, I hope things turn around for everyone.

ace_in_the_hole

11-11-2005, 03:44 AM

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I just wanted to let you know what is possible. I beat the 55s for 12% over a 2200 sample earlier in the year. Thanks to a vegas trip and poor game selection at nl ring, I am rebuilding at the 22s currently. Just wanted to let you know that currently after 225 22s, Im break even.

Have a nice day.
Beefcake

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Thanks, I feel a lot better now about my 15 buy-in drop in the Step 5's over my last 50, as well as my recent 45 buy-in drop in the 215s after scorching them at ~20% for > 500.

Now, about the pot calling the kettle black (and I'm guilty as well, it would appear)...

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DAMN! You are my hero for being able to say that as winning player, cause you must be making lots 'o' loot all the other time.

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NO FAIR! /images/graemlins/mad.gif

I'm down WAY more! I wanna be your hero!

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You can be my idol.

bones

11-11-2005, 03:53 AM

I should mention that the Dalibaby v1.0 avatar is without question my favorite one on 2+2.

Hasy

11-11-2005, 03:53 AM

[censored] my itm in the 200s is down to 44% urghhhh

Maulik

11-11-2005, 03:56 AM

I got faith brother.

I got faith.

johnnybeef

11-11-2005, 04:31 AM

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Beefcake

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I'm so beefcake i can't fit through the door.

Beefcake. BEEFCAKE!

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what can i say, the shoe fits

johnnybeef

11-11-2005, 04:32 AM

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You're not that good. It isn't a downswing.... YOU'RE MEDIOCRE. It is still decent money compared with a normal hourly wage job so take solice in that.

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who the [censored] are you, and how do you know how i play?

Gramps

11-11-2005, 05:02 AM

From down $10k (aided by 7/7 OOTM Step 5's) 2/3 of the way through the day to up $1k at the end. Never even done the down $5k to up before. Variance is interesting indeed. This game is a lot easier when you win coinflips, don't run into monsters, and get timely suckouts (I'm edumicated at poker).

Beer me, please.

raptor517

11-11-2005, 05:22 AM

so i start playing poker again right.. cuz i havent had time and i get a day or 2 off.. so i decide to 8 table some 109s on my new rakeback program.. first 19 sngs im up 2700ish. ship the dough right.. after 75 im up 1200. i love dropping 15 buyins in a row, then breaking even. variance is fun. im drunk. holla

tigerite

11-11-2005, 05:31 AM

Ah good, can I join in too? Having beat the $55s for 37% ROI over 400 I've then dropped over 30 buyins in the last 100. Lovely.

I blame Irieguy's experiment, and me joining it. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

11-11-2005, 06:48 AM

I stopped tracking ROI about 5 months ago and have been running goot ever since.

lacky

11-11-2005, 06:58 AM

my assesment of poker this month? it's a stupid game, in all forms, that sucks great big donkey dicks. Playing said game for a living is a stupid pursuit and a wasted life.

Will any of the above keep me from logging on tommorrow for more humiliation. Of course not, where else is an idiot like me gonna make 100K+ a year without getting dressed or bathing or kissing up to some [censored] boss. Job sure sucks some weeks though.

11-11-2005, 07:19 AM

I wouldn't say it's a stupid game. Everything else you said is pretty much bang on. About the only other thing I would say is to try and do something good with your spare time and your life won't feel wasted.

Stoneii

11-11-2005, 08:37 AM

But I enjoy getting washed, talking to real people without having to guess the tone of their typing, before I come home, slob down, crack open a beer, put on my fowl mood face and only THEN accept being humiliated by said stupid game /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

durron597

11-11-2005, 09:18 AM

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I just wanted to let you know what is possible. I beat the 55s for 12% over a 2200 sample earlier in the year. Thanks to a vegas trip and poor game selection at nl ring, I am rebuilding at the 22s currently. Just wanted to let you know that currently after 225 22s, Im break even.

Have a nice day.
Beefcake

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Makes me not feel so bad about my 3% ROI over 234 $16 turbos a few months back.

Don't worry dude, you'll get back there, I have faith.

HesseJam

11-11-2005, 09:33 AM

These posts scare the sh1t out of me.

Nick-Zack

11-11-2005, 09:36 AM

I was a 11.1% ROI over my first 1K $55's this year. This month I have played 251 and lost $455 for a negative ROI of 3.30. I think my problem is that I play bad though.

11-11-2005, 09:38 AM

Why? Haven't you seen enough of them to be immune by now?

11-11-2005, 09:42 AM

Based on those numbers I'd say there's a good chance you're a winning player at that level which doesn't make you a bad player at all. Everyone can improve though.

SuitedSixes

11-11-2005, 02:12 PM

Beef-
Have you ever posted an "I'm running good" post?

P.S.
Have I mentioned that I have had one losing week since moving to the $55s?

KingMedicine

11-11-2005, 02:18 PM

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You're not that good. It isn't a downswing.... YOU'RE MEDIOCRE. It is still decent money compared with a normal hourly wage job so take solice in that.

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who the [censored] are you, and how do you know how i play?

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beef, at least you can take soLICE in it. in fact, while youre up, can you grab me a solice and a beer?

jeffraider

11-11-2005, 02:24 PM

Hehe I started running bad right at the start of the data that Irie is getting from me too! The "DATA COLLECTION CURSE".

sofere

11-11-2005, 02:38 PM

Its posts like this that make me feel happy that Time Warner hasn't been able to get my internet up and running for a month. Before reading this thread I was ready to go on a bloody rampage...now I figure it mighta saved me some loot.

Kurn, son of Mogh

11-11-2005, 02:45 PM

I beat the 55s for 12%

No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

11-11-2005, 02:49 PM

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I beat the 55s for 12%

No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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So the only one beating the game is Stanzee? Wow! Klingon math can be so enlightening.

ClaytonN

11-11-2005, 02:55 PM

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No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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I can see this argument for 11's, but not 55's

"beating" is a relative term

durron597

11-11-2005, 02:58 PM

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So the only one beating the game is Stanzee? Wow! Klingon math can be so enlightening.

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freemoney is beating the game too.

pooh74

11-11-2005, 03:04 PM

skipperbob

11-11-2005, 03:06 PM

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So the only one beating the game is Stanzee? Wow! Klingon math can be so enlightening.

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freemoney is beating the game too.

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So are "T.O.W., Kyro, TRex, and gOOt /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Kurn, son of Mogh

11-11-2005, 03:08 PM

12% ROI equates to about 37% ITM. That's better than average and nothing to sneeze at. <shrug> maybe I just interpret "beating the game" as having a different meaning.

FWIW, I realize as you move up to the higher levels, 45/36 ITM/ROI might be a pipe dream, but at only 12%, I'd still be looking for the leaks.

pooh74

11-11-2005, 03:11 PM

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So the only one beating the game is Stanzee? Wow! Klingon math can be so enlightening.

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freemoney is beating the game too.

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So are "T.O.W., Kyro, TRex, and gOOt /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Kyro's not a troll...and I am sure he is way ahead...he has posted here for a long time...no one posts about hands for that long just for the fun of it.

T.O.W, however, was an annoying hippie. (hippies don't make money)

DeathbySuckout

11-11-2005, 03:23 PM

I think you are confusing "beating" and "crushing".
I would think that "beating" the game means you can maintain a +ROI over thousands of tourneys.
I can see applying your logic to someone who says they are "crushing" the game.

adanthar

11-11-2005, 03:26 PM

Neither 45% ITM nor 36% ROI are possible at the 55's.

Kurn, son of Mogh

11-11-2005, 03:27 PM

Fair enough

Kurn, son of Mogh

11-11-2005, 03:30 PM

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I beat the 55s for 12%

No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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Semantics...

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What would 2+2 be without the occaisional beef over semantics. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

11-11-2005, 03:30 PM

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12% ROI equates to about 37% ITM. That's better than average and nothing to sneeze at. <shrug> maybe I just interpret "beating the game" as having a different meaning.

FWIW, I realize as you move up to the higher levels, 45/36 ITM/ROI might be a pipe dream, but at only 12%, I'd still be looking for the leaks.

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I don't care how well you are doing, you should never stop looking for leaks. I doubt that multitabling 55's for a 36% ROI is doable though.

pooh74

11-11-2005, 03:34 PM

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I beat the 55s for 12%

No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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Semantics...

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What would 2+2 be without the occaisional beef over semantics. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Vegetarian...you're right, that WOULD suck. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

microbet

11-11-2005, 03:43 PM

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I beat the 55s for 12%

No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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I know you're not permanently insane, so I hope this temporary version passes quickly.

Be well.

Edit: Sarcasm....testing....testing....testing....inconc lusive.

Second edit:
Nevermind. Must be sarcasm.

Kurn, son of Mogh

11-11-2005, 04:02 PM

I know you're not permanently insane

I know many who would dispute this point.

DPCondit

11-11-2005, 04:09 PM

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FWIW, I realize as you move up to the higher levels, 45/36 ITM/ROI might be a pipe dream, but at only 12%, I'd still be looking for the leaks.

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Do you play 55s? I don't think you would make these statements if you did. Yes, you should still look for leaks at 12%, but let's not get totally unrealistic here.

Kurn, son of Mogh

11-11-2005, 04:27 PM

I play mainly 33's - 55's. Some 109's. Not claiming those were my numbers, either, but I dont think 40% ITM at $55 is unreasonable.

11-11-2005, 04:33 PM

11-11-2005, 04:41 PM

Does anyone ever play the $500s or $1000s? Seems like I usually see one person waiting at PS but never more.

DPCondit

11-11-2005, 04:45 PM

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Not claiming those were my numbers, either, but I dont think 40% ITM at $55 is unreasonable

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Yes, I personally know people that claim to be doing it at 55s and 109s, so I would have to agree. Unfortunately, I'm shy of that (55s [party] and 60 Turbos[stars]), and I have a pretty small sample size.

microbet

11-11-2005, 04:46 PM

I guess it's just semantics. 12%, to me is certainly beating the game. If someone gets very close to the highest ROIs around, I'd say more like killing the game. That would be more Klingon too.

dogsballs

11-11-2005, 04:50 PM

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Neither 45% ITM nor 36% ROI are possible at the 55's.

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?? You sure..?

I was 34% ROI at the 55's over about 2k $55 SNG's until I lost my PT db. Since then I've got 39.8% ITM/31.6% ROI% over 1400 $55 sng's.

And there are definitely better players than me around, so I wouldn't rule out someone making it 36% ROI.

edit: the tough part might be getting both 40% ITM and 36% ROI at the same time...but who gives a XXX about ITM anyway...

freemoney

11-11-2005, 04:53 PM

ask people who regularly play the 100s about ppisgreedy, jljf3, and annabegins85- i am the best.

dogsballs

11-11-2005, 04:56 PM

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I play mainly 33's - 55's. Some 109's. Not claiming those were my numbers, either, but I dont think 40% ITM at $55 is unreasonable.

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My ITM at the 55's is currently 39.81% over 1400. I could definitely improve that, but it'd probably drop my ROI.

I'm sure there are a bunch of posters here who hit 40 and the 30's for ITM and ROI respectively.

Daliman

11-11-2005, 05:00 PM

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I beat the 55s for 12%

No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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Your "beating" measuring methods are WAY off, akin to saying if the average baseball player hits .260, to be REALLY doing well, you should hit .390.

Nick-Zack

11-11-2005, 07:57 PM

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Neither 45% ITM nor 36% ROI are possible at the 55's.

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Regression to the Mean is a statistic that these high flyers will enjoy soon.

adanthar

11-11-2005, 08:08 PM

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I was 34% ROI at the 55's over about 2k $55 SNG's until I lost my PT db. Since then I've got 39.8% ITM/31.6% ROI% over 1400 $55 sng's.

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You are literally the biggest winner I've ever heard of for that sample size and without denigrating your abilities, I believe you're probably running hot unless you are < 4 tabling. It might be barely possible now with an extra level added in and some TAG's removed because of the skins, I dunno.

45% ITM is one of those things that you could maybe do in a vacuum, but you'd probably wind up losing money overall, so why bother?

dogsballs

11-11-2005, 09:13 PM

I'm surprised that's the best you've heard of at the 55's.

I'm not convinced it's running hot; my PS turbo 55's were low 30's ROI as well, but I dont play them much now. Whatever, if it is running hot then I hope I stay hot for the next few thousand sng's as well... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

6-8 tables. 4-6 sng's plus a few MTT's is the order of things for me.

psyduck

11-12-2005, 02:01 AM

Jesus. Those are some CRAZY stats Dogsballs.

I had a 700 SNG breakeven stretch last month. However, my game had slipped then because I was trying to do 50 every day and would focus on just hammering that out.

rwesty

11-12-2005, 02:39 AM

Why haven't you moved up?

johnnybeef

11-12-2005, 02:59 AM

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Jesus. Those are some CRAZY stats Dogsballs.

I had a 700 SNG breakeven stretch last month. However, my game had slipped then because I was trying to do 50 every day and would focus on just hammering that out.

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i have found that when i do this, i always run [censored]

FieryJustice

11-12-2005, 04:42 AM

So...what is the deal? Is everyone here running bad? EVERYONE I talk to that has been playing a lot this month hasnt been doing too hot, including myself. I had a 10% set of 1000 109s from 10/27-11/9 and since then I have played 200 more and am down $2000. I know my downswing is just tiny, but I could easily see it going on for a while. I am 100% sure I have been unlucky as [censored], but if lots of other "good" people are having problems, maaayybbbeee bad luck isnt the problem. Or...maybe it is.

11-12-2005, 04:44 AM

If what you say is true (and I'm certainly not accusing you of lying) then that is very impressive indeed. I also suspect that you are running well as up/down swings of 1000 sngs happen but you obviously play good as well. I'd be very curious to hear how your next couple of thousand go.

pergesu

11-12-2005, 05:14 AM

I am now 31 straight OOTM. It's kinda painful.

psyduck

11-12-2005, 05:46 AM

Jesus, I thought I was the only one having a bad month.

Last month: 700 tourney breakeven streak. This month, 300 tourney breakeven streak (so far).

It's [censored] nasty.

raptor517

11-12-2005, 07:18 AM

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I am now 31 straight OOTM. It's kinda painful.

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holy crap thats bad. i never even fathomed i could do 22.. holla

SCfuji

11-12-2005, 07:20 AM

no offense jbeef but shillx wins any of these break-even streaks by far.

11-12-2005, 07:32 AM

I can't imagine that either, my record is about 13 or so. I'd be freaking out after 30.

johnnybeef

11-12-2005, 08:10 AM

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no offense jbeef but shillx wins any of these break-even streaks by far.

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the point of my posting wasnt to say how bad i was running, it was just to let people know what is possible. and btw, i am now down over 240 22s.

Jason Strasser

11-12-2005, 09:27 AM

I used to play a lot of sngs and dealt with this kind of frustrating variance.

I moved to ring games and did bad at first then well later. I occasionally play the 500-2k sngs on party or stars when I feel like it, and the entire tourney is kind of a helpless feeling. I control so much more in a ring game. SNGs are fun and profitable, but if you really want a more mentally soothing poker experience, play NL ring games. They are harder, but more rewarding. You will get better at SNGs too, especially level 1 and level 2 play. You will also feel in control. At the 5-10 and 10-20 levels I've had only a few 10-15 buy in drops. There is also no thrill like winning a huge pot, or just being in a huge pot. It's nice winning a tourney, but when you grind out SNGs the thrill of winning just isnt there because the game becomes so mechanical.

-Jason

Jason Strasser

11-12-2005, 09:29 AM

The other thing to realize is that everyone plays worse when they run worse. People also play bad when they run really good too. I think people are sharpest when they are enjoying moderate success, so try to keep your mental state in the one you are in when you are your sharpest.

FatalError

11-12-2005, 09:30 AM

I found out that 10-20 NL is more valuble, but i thank SnG's for providing me a huge bankroll and good late game tournament skillz

dogsballs

11-12-2005, 05:07 PM

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My results at the 109's aren't so good. 9-12% ROI kinda thing, though much fewer played.

I also spend too much of my BR so it's an early danger zone when I hit a losing streak.

Cassidy

11-12-2005, 05:54 PM

The annoying thing I do when on downswing is work out all sorts of stats to quantify just how bad the downswing is.

I don't know why I do this. It doesn't make me feel better about my game, quite the opposite in fact.

This month I haven't a clue what my ROI or ITM are since I stopped logging SnG results in my spreadsheet as I normally do.

At the end of the month I'll load all my results into Poker Tracker. If I do hit a downswing this month then at least I won't be beating myself up about how bad it is until December 1st.

Daliman

11-13-2005, 06:30 PM

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I used to play a lot of sngs and dealt with this kind of frustrating variance.

I moved to ring games and did bad at first then well later. I occasionally play the 500-2k sngs on party or stars when I feel like it, and the entire tourney is kind of a helpless feeling. I control so much more in a ring game. SNGs are fun and profitable, but if you really want a more mentally soothing poker experience, play NL ring games. They are harder, but more rewarding. You will get better at SNGs too, especially level 1 and level 2 play. You will also feel in control. At the 5-10 and 10-20 levels I've had only a few 10-15 buy in drops. There is also no thrill like winning a huge pot, or just being in a huge pot. It's nice winning a tourney, but when you grind out SNGs the thrill of winning just isnt there because the game becomes so mechanical.

-Jason

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I have found the same in my NL cash forays. It helps get you out of the pushbot mode, and work much more on being a thinking player.

Daliman

11-13-2005, 06:32 PM

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The other thing to realize is that everyone plays worse when they run worse. People also play bad when they run really good too. I think people are sharpest when they are enjoying moderate success, so try to keep your mental state in the one you are in when you are your sharpest.

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Also true. Most winning players run bad and try to retool,(I know I did).

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