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obsidian

11-10-2005, 11:28 PM

Villain is mostly unknown but stats are 34/12/2.1.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, MP folds, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

imported_leader

11-10-2005, 11:34 PM

I don't see another way to play it. I don't think you can fold to the turn 3-bet

obsidian

11-10-2005, 11:39 PM

No way I fold an overpair in a pot this large and a board this drawy.

imported_leader

11-10-2005, 11:45 PM

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No way I fold an overpair in a pot this large and a board this drawy.

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I think putting in more bets then you did is spewy. I guess capping the turn wouldn’t be that bad since you might have 50% equity here. I won’t raise the river though.

obsidian

11-10-2005, 11:48 PM

The reason I won't cap the turn is because it won't push anyone else out and with my position the villain will almost always bet the river even if he misses so I make that bet up anyways.

imported_leader

11-10-2005, 11:56 PM

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The reason I won't cap the turn is because it won't push anyone else out and with my position the villain will almost always bet the river even if he misses so I make that bet up anyways.

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So you want to raise the river? I don't think you get called by a worse hand very often here. I mean what made hands is he 3-betting the turn with that don't have you beat? I don't think the number of those hands is greater then the number of times he has an 8 or a str8 here.

obsidian

11-10-2005, 11:59 PM

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So you want to raise the river? I don't think you get called by a worse hand very often here. I mean what made hands is he 3-betting the turn with that don't have you beat? I don't think the number of those hands is greater then the number of times he has an 8 or a str8 here.

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No, I think you misunderstood. If I cap the turn he c/f's the river when he misses and c/r's or bets it when he hits. If I call the 3-bet he bets the river no matter what so I make more when ahead and lose less when behind.

jba

11-11-2005, 12:02 AM

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The reason I won't cap the turn is because it won't push anyone else out and with my position the villain will almost always bet the river even if he misses so I make that bet up anyways.

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So you want to raise the river? I don't think you get called by a worse hand very often here. I mean what made hands is he 3-betting the turn with that don't have you beat? I don't think the number of those hands is greater then the number of times he has an 8 or a str8 here.

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I think he's saying there is a possibility that villain is semibluffing - the reason to consider a turn cap - but will continue the bluff on the river. I don't think he's saying he wants to raise the river, just that capping the turn does not extract extra value from semibluffs, so there is no reason to.

ddubois

11-11-2005, 12:04 AM

That's an ugly river if he was semi-bluffing a superdraw like X/images/graemlins/heart.gif9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. I suppose if you had some way to be confident he was on a draw on the turn, you could cap the turn for a free showdown and fold to a river donk, but I'm either not good enough or not bad enough to make that play, so I would play it the same way you did.