$20/$40 QQ river laydown?

[djk123]

20/40 6 handed no reads. how would u play river?
im dealt Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q /images/graemlins/club.gif. everyone limps to me in sb, i raise, bb folds, rest call.

flop 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif A /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/spade.gif

i bet, utg calls, utg+1 and 2 fold, button calls.
turn 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif A /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

i bet, utg calls, button calls.

river turn 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif A /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif K /images/graemlins/spade.gif

I check, utg bets pretty fast, button thinks and folds, i fold(?)

[billyjex]

You beat absolutely nothing by this river, since every single draw came in.

[djk123]

ya thats wat i was thinkin. bad bad card.

[elindauer]

Why did you bet the flop? Why did you bet the turn? Did you like the flop and turn cards? Did you feel your hand was best? Were you unconcerned about being (semi)bluff raised?

Clear river fold on what is surely the worst card in the deck for your already marginal hand.

-eric

[djk123]

you wouldnt bet flop?

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you wouldnt bet flop?

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no

[djk123]

there were actually only 2 callers to flop, wud that change anything?

and how wud u go about this hand after checking the flop

[Pog0]

well you're not check/folding.. that's kind of weak. There are only 3 aces out there. Playing QQ on an Axx draw heavy board OOP really sucks. Arguments could be made for giving up on the turn, but it looks good to me.

[elindauer]

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you wouldnt bet flop?

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I didn't say what I would do, and in some ways, it's not important. What is important, is understanding why you should or should not bet the flop. What were you trying to accomplish? What are your assumptions about your opponents? These concepts are even more important on the turn, when the bet has doubled and you are still in a multiway pot with 2nd pair. Why did you bet?

I will say that checking queens on an ace high flop does not make you weak, and should be considered. You can see the action and then decide if you want to continue. For example, you might raise a bet from the button, or you might fold if it's bet and raised back to you, or...

To get the discussion going, let me ask this: are you concerned about giving free cards? How often will the flop be checked through?

-eric

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elindauer is spot on for a lot.

By raising in the SB, there is a chance the flop could be checked around.

Also, if another spade comes up on the turn that also changes the game.

I did notice this is 6 handed when I assumed 10 handed. I still don't consider this an auto bet or weak.

[Brom]

I think if you bet out on the flop, there is little chance of someone without an Ace raising. The draw will be fearful of raising you because he won't want to get three bet by your monster hand and ruin his odds. I think a draw will raise though if he has more than 12 outs, or can trap multiple opponents in.

To answer OP, I would fold on this river probably. There are just way too many hands out there now that beat you, and you were quite probably beat before the river.

Edit: Oops, I forgot the 6 handed nature of this post. It is now more likely IMO that any draw will raise. Flop check just feels too weird though. Are we supposed to just give up whenever an overcard falls to our pocket pairs? (Rhetorical)

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Ummm, does no one see the texture of this board?