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housenuts

11-10-2005, 06:32 AM

i'm really in a bind here and unfortunately i didn't acquire
any reads on these numpty's yet. i'm really feeling a fold here, is that the right move? i'll still be left with alot of chips.
the guy who pushed over the top could be on a flush draw with overs, but the guy flat-calling has to have something? is that right? is this an easy laydown with top 2?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO (t1285)
Button (t1185)
Hero (t2200)
BB (t1370)
UTG (t2275)
MP1 (t2065)
MP2 (t3120)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, 1 fold, Button calls t100, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t500) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
Hero bets t300, BB raises to t1270, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t1270, Button folds, Hero ?

tigerite

11-10-2005, 06:40 AM

I don't see how you can lay this down. I would push.

HesseJam

11-10-2005, 06:46 AM

For me it is not an easy laydown. I probably push and and stare into a set of 6es

housenuts

11-10-2005, 06:52 AM

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For me it is not an easy laydown. I probably push and and stare into a set of 6es

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exactly that's what i figure too. there's also straight potential and flush potential out there too. so i'd say half the time you are already beat, and half of the time that you are ahead you will be beat by the river.

maybe i'm too tight.

tigerite

11-10-2005, 07:02 AM

Straight and flush DRAW potential. And the chance to almost triple up when neither hit. It's very unusual for both to be on a draw anyway.

housenuts

11-10-2005, 07:11 AM

i'm not saying both are on a draw. i'm saying one is likely on a draw, while the other could either already have me beat.

tigerite

11-10-2005, 07:23 AM

He could. But he could equally have AK/AQ, as well. It's probably close but you should come out ahead enough in this situation to make this a call. In my opinion.

Kristian

11-10-2005, 08:45 AM

You can't lay it down. I push, too.

Nick-Zack

11-10-2005, 08:49 AM

In a MTT with lots of play left I fold this, in a SNG I push every time.

bigt439

11-10-2005, 11:08 AM

[ QUOTE ]
i'm really in a bind here and unfortunately i didn't acquire
any reads on these numpty's yet. i'm really feeling a fold here, is that the right move? i'll still be left with alot of chips.
the guy who pushed over the top could be on a flush draw with overs, but the guy flat-calling has to have something? is that right? is this an easy laydown with top 2?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO (t1285)
Button (t1185)
Hero (t2200)
BB (t1370)
UTG (t2275)
MP1 (t2065)
MP2 (t3120)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, 1 fold, Button calls t100, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t500) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
Hero bets t300, BB raises to t1270, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t1270, Button folds, Hero ?

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I think this is quite an easy repush here. BB could have a bajillion hands, and MP2 could have any A and then some. Very easy repush IMO.

housenuts

11-10-2005, 03:39 PM

ok i did push. i thought it was the right play. it probably was.

the guy who pushed had 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif9 /images/graemlins/club.gif for the OESD draw, and the other guy had 77. I was dead to 2 aces.

11-10-2005, 03:51 PM

I was in a very similiar situation and posted it here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3894892&page=0&vc=1

Consensus was that pushing is correct.

I pushed, and opponent didn't hit his draw. I won a nice pot, just like you were favored to do in this instance.

housenuts

11-10-2005, 03:54 PM

you are missing the fact that a second guy called and he had a set.

Hornacek

11-10-2005, 03:56 PM

Very well-covered bad beat post.

What do you expect in this situation? In SNGs, pushing is one of your few options that actually creates FE. If you fold this every time in fear of a set, I think its very -EV.

Edit: If I played that hand, my line could have easily been something like AK for the first pusher, then a pretty straight or flush draw for the second player.

11-10-2005, 03:59 PM

A set was what I was afraid of in my hand as well. And as Hornacek pointed out, if you don't pay off the sets on the rare occasions they show, you'll end up losing a lot more money over time.

housenuts

11-10-2005, 04:00 PM

dude this isn't a bad beat post. u need to check your head. i was trying to sway the discussion towards a fold consensus but everyone still said they'd push which must make it the correct play.

most people come on here, make their post, and it's almost obvious what happened even if they don't post results.

you need to reassess your life.

schwza

11-10-2005, 04:08 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Very well-covered bad beat post.

What do you expect in this situation? In SNGs, pushing is one of your few options that actually creates FE. If you fold this every time in fear of a set, I think its very -EV.

Edit: If I played that hand, my line could have easily been something like AK for the first pusher, then a pretty straight or flush draw for the second player.

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dude, there wasn't even a bad beat involved. hero got his money in as a dog and lost.

i agree that the push was correct, btw.

Hornacek

11-10-2005, 04:11 PM

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dude this isn't a bad beat post. u need to check your head. i was trying to sway the discussion towards a fold consensus but everyone still said they'd push which must make it the correct play.

most people come on here, make their post, and it's almost obvious what happened even if they don't post results.

you need to reassess your life.

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wow someone's a little sensitive. if i came off as harsh, sorry. i was just joking! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

But I think the gist of my post was just that I think you have to get your money in there. Especially since SNGs are not very long on time and they lack the manueverability to make moves, you need to take plenty of chances where you otherwise might not in a MTT or a live game.

z32fanatic

11-10-2005, 06:19 PM

I would never lay this down.