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catlover

11-09-2005, 07:32 PM

As always I am interested in your thoughts on my thought process.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

SB ($701.10)
Hero ($615.15)
UTG ($359.65)
UTG+1 ($253)
MP1 ($600.75)
MP2 ($600)
CO ($107)
Button ($591)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $3.
6 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12.

Flop: ($36) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $35, Hero calls $35.

Flop: I am probably ahead. But I really don't want to face an all-in reraise from a hand that is likely to spades but could be a deuce. Also if he is on a total steal, calling is better for me than raising. So I call.

Turn: ($106) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $70, Hero calls $70.

Turn: I am still probably ahead. I still don't want to get put to the test with an all in reraise, so I call.

River: ($246) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: His check suggests that his most likely hand is busted spades. If so, it doesn't matter if I check or bet.

But with all the strength he has shown on the flop and turn, it is also possible that he has a big hand and is trapping, looking for the check raise. Also he may manage to fold a hand like a seven if I bet, since I showed a lot of strength by calling twice.

So I check.

Final Pot: $246

Big_Jim

11-09-2005, 07:39 PM

No reads, I presume?

What hands with a 2 call PF?

22: 1 combo
A2s: 1 combo
23s: 2 combos

I would say his most likely hand here BY FAR is a medium-small pair, with a flush draw being second most likely. He might even be "trapping" with KK.

If you think he'll call or get fiesty with these hands, raise flop, if not, call and raise turn. Call any re-raise.

Given the way it played out... you gotta value bet the river. This is a classic check to induce a bluff spot, he calls with lots of weaker hands.

bruin

11-09-2005, 07:40 PM

I make it 110 to go on the flop. What hands do you think Villain has that beat you here? Is he loose enough to call with A2s?? I really think you're ahead here and that youre missing value/information by not raising this flop. I think you played this hand timidly. There aren't many hands out there that beat you.

Prevaricator

11-09-2005, 07:41 PM

ugh, i dont like this one bit.

You really think he leads out with a deuce? I think most likely he has a 7 followed by weak pair and then a flush draw. I dont mind a call here some of the time, but I think that a call looks stronger to him than a raise does (and if it doesn't then you need to work at it so that it he thinks you could be bluffing).

If you call the flop, you gotta raise that turn. Make him pay! You have a very strong hand on this board, and it would be pretty bad if a 7 or spade rolled off on the river. He could have also had a spade draw that paired the queen, make him pay.

And the way you played it, I think river is a very easy value bet. Bet the pot, it looks like a busted draw, and a seven will call you a lot of the time.

Yeti

11-09-2005, 08:04 PM

You realy need to bet this river.

mgsimpleton

11-09-2005, 08:42 PM

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Chaostracize

11-09-2005, 08:47 PM

How many raises are you calling with 32s? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

punter11235

11-09-2005, 09:22 PM

Your line makes sense if you want to "bluff" the river...
I if you dont, raise before is better. I would prefer flop cause as prevacitor says it looks more like a bluff.

Best wishes

Ulysses

11-09-2005, 09:40 PM

Sounds like NL is not the right game for you.

flawless_victory

11-09-2005, 09:41 PM

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LOL.
this hand is awful.

Chris Daddy Cool

11-09-2005, 09:56 PM

jack up the turn. if you didn't do that bet the river when checked to.

creedofhubris

11-10-2005, 12:04 AM

Flat calling the flop is OK if you're planning to bomb the turn. But raising the flop is more standard.

Checking the river behind is indefensible.

AEKDBet

11-10-2005, 12:46 AM

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we all can learn el-d. play nice /images/graemlins/grin.gif

catlover

11-10-2005, 03:13 AM

Having taken to heart commentary on the previous hand, Hero has resolved to show more aggression with hands that are very likely to be good but could be beat:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Hero ($600)
Button ($272)
SB ($1318.95)
BB ($535.85)
UTG ($101.25)
UTG+1 ($1721.45)
MP1 ($1241.25)
MP2 ($603.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
4 folds, Hero raises to $15, 1 fold, SB calls $12, 1 fold.

Flop: ($36) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $17, SB calls $17.

Turn: ($70) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $60, SB calls $60.

River: ($190) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $180 . . .

Villain apparently has some room for improvement in his NLHE game as he called and showed 55.

But my question is, suppose he had put in a big honkin' raise? Then what?

mother_brain

11-10-2005, 03:52 AM

Yeah you played it perfect man. I knew he had a mid pair when i read it, and you had to value bet that river. He was hoping you had big cards on the flop, fired again on the turn and then slowed down. A nice big value bet that looks like it wants him to fold on the river is correct. The whole way you played it was correct.

I think the big honking raise call would have to be read dependent. And a cussing fold with no reads.

Lucky

11-10-2005, 04:22 AM

As it is, bet river.

I like calling flop and raising turn best.

durrrr

11-10-2005, 07:34 AM

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Sounds like NL is not the right game for you.

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LOL.
this hand is awful.

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move up in stakes.

Heimdal

11-10-2005, 07:59 AM

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But my question is, suppose he had put in a big honkin' raise? Then what?

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I'm also afraid of getting raised. This is a huge leak. I miss a lot of value and sometimes I get outdrawn because of it. Every time I feel I play too passive I reread Super System:

"Never worry about getting raised. You have to go ahead and play and if it happens, it happens... and then you worry about it. Don't cross that bridge until you come to it." Im not a big Doyle Brunson fan but Super System has some good points.

Hattifnatt

11-10-2005, 10:16 AM

I probably make it $200 on the turn.

As played I bet 1/2 pot to 2/3 pot on the river.

The Bear

11-10-2005, 10:33 AM

I like the flop and turn, but think the river check is awful.