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Unarmed

11-09-2005, 06:41 PM

A read would be nice...
He took down one hand where he caught a set on the turn but shut down on a three flush river. That's all I've seen.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

MP2 (t710)
MP3 (t520)
CO (t925)
Button (t1095)
SB (t1090)
BB (t975)
Hero (t1020)
UTG+1 (t1290)
UTG+2 (t960)
MP1 (t1415)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls t30, 7 folds, SB raises to t90, 1 fold, Hero calls t60.

Flop: (t210) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, SB is allin in a flash.

PS:

Why no PF raise?
Raise PF.
I know you don't want to talk about PF, but raising there makes the hand far easier to play.

I think that covers off the first 3 responses.
Lets move to theflop, shall we?

Irieguy

11-09-2005, 06:44 PM

Instacall... you know what he has.

Geesh... what kind of drugs are you doing down under? This now seems interesting to you?

Irieguy

pooh74

11-09-2005, 06:48 PM

Raise PF

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11-09-2005, 06:51 PM

So you know for sure villain has a big ace? That would be my first guess anyhow and I also call here.

I like the preflop play. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

microbet

11-09-2005, 06:56 PM

I can't see the suits (text browser). Is there a flush draw? If so, AK or AQ with the flush draw, right Irie? If not, maybe still AK, but not as likely.

Irieguy

11-09-2005, 07:11 PM

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I can't see the suits (text browser). Is there a flush draw? If so, AK or AQ with the flush draw, right Irie? If not, maybe still AK, but not as likely.

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He either has a ten and wants you to go away or a flush draw and wants you to go away.

He didn't whiff the flop, but you are ahead.

Irieguy

tigerite

11-09-2005, 07:13 PM

Or 88 and wants you to go away.

Yeah you're ahead the majority of the time here, it's a pretty easy call. And I don't think not raising PF is that bad anyway. Re-raise might've been ok though.. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Scuba Chuck

11-10-2005, 05:08 AM

Does this guy know you?

raptor517

11-10-2005, 06:42 AM

if you folded this i will come to aussy land, pop out from the pouch of a kangaroo, and throw a boomerang at yer head. holla

Scuba Chuck

11-10-2005, 04:20 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls t30, 7 folds, SB raises to t90, 1 fold, Hero calls t60.

Flop: (t210) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, SB is allin in a flash.

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This post/hand kept me awake last night. Stupid poker.

Anyhow, I am now beginning to see why this hand is more interesting than Irie/others are making it out to be.

At the moment, the nuts is J8, followed by 68. Could/would villain play these hands this strong? I dunno, I could see 68 being played this way more than J8. Furthermore, it's plausible our villain has 2 pair as well. Lots of hands we're technically behind at the moment. Would a set play it this way?

But there are so many other hands that make this all the more interesting.
7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
X/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
X/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
I would play these hands the way our villain played it, c/r allin on the flop.

Anyhow, considering the strength of the play (c/r) and the extreme coordination of the board, along with the very plausibility that your villain could have a hand that represents one of the above, I can see how it's easier to view this as a coinflip. And, does unarmed take coinflips?

Pot odds-wise, if your hand range is that you're 50/50 here, it is surely ok to call. My guess this is where you're stuck. You're better than the field (at least you think so, and I'm not arguing). So should you gambool here, or put your chips to good use elsewhere? I would think only you can answer this.

Unarmed

11-10-2005, 04:32 PM

He had AT.
Good post, you're just giving him way too wide a range given he raised PF. If you could say he leads big tens, cbet's AK no diamonds, and is pretrified of flushes (meaning he would overbet with AA/KK/QQ) then a fold is fine.

zambonidrivr

11-10-2005, 04:59 PM

that's what i don't understand. you misplayed the hand by not raising preflop. let it go, you [censored] up the hand. gg

pooh74

11-10-2005, 05:04 PM

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that's what i don't understand. you misplayed the hand by not raising preflop. let it go, you [censored] up the hand. gg

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Sometimes you have enough info simply by them raising...any more info (a rr) is costly and not worth any added info. I think the way Hero played it is fine (if he called... /images/graemlins/wink.gif ). There's no right or wrong. FWIW, most hands I post are out of the ordinary which is why I post them. Maybe OP normally would raise here...who knows?

Newt_Buggs

11-10-2005, 05:32 PM

You probably are a coinflip, but you'de have to be insane to fold a coinflip here.

Unarmed

11-10-2005, 05:33 PM

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that's what i don't understand. you misplayed the hand by not raising preflop. let it go, you [censored] up the hand. gg

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Who the f*ck are you?
Sh*t like this is why I stopped posting here.

durron597

11-10-2005, 05:40 PM

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that's what i don't understand. you misplayed the hand by not raising preflop. let it go, you [censored] up the hand. gg

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This is the most useful post ever. Please continue making such useful posts.......

Irieguy

11-10-2005, 06:10 PM

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Pot odds-wise, if your hand range is that you're 50/50 here, it is surely ok to call. My guess this is where you're stuck. You're better than the field (at least you think so, and I'm not arguing). So should you gambool here, or put your chips to good use elsewhere? I would think only you can answer this.

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If you can't tell that your opponent rates to have a 10 here and call with ease... you are not better than the field.

Irieguy

Scuba Chuck

11-10-2005, 06:12 PM

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Pot odds-wise, if your hand range is that you're 50/50 here, it is surely ok to call. My guess this is where you're stuck. You're better than the field (at least you think so, and I'm not arguing). So should you gambool here, or put your chips to good use elsewhere? I would think only you can answer this.

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If you can't tell that your opponent rates to have a 10 here and call with ease... you are not better than the field.

Irieguy

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I was gonna just keep quiet, but when I was reviewing this in my head last night, laying on my pillow, I had forgotten that villain had raised preflop. I wish I could go back and change my post. /images/graemlins/blush.gif