Hand I watched

[The Truth]

Good playing 2+2er is hero.

4 handed. 20-40.

folded to hero on button. Hero has Ks3s.

hero raises. sb folds, bb calls.

Flop: 8c 2d 4h

bb checks, hero bets, bb raises, hero calls.


what ya think so far?

blake

[jt1]

Hero raises after either a gutshot turns or pairing?

[imported_ncray]

I like to check behind versus a BB who aggressively defends his blinds. Button's range is not likely to have hit the flop. Knowing this, I'd say BB often c/r this every time. I think a bet/call isn't bad either, since BB could easily have a hand like JT.

[The Truth]

I think he botched it bad. It is a clear fold when you are c/r with this hand on this board.

He has to pray for some garbage raise, which isn't all that likely. BB wasn't a maniac by any means; BB actually plays pretty good tagish. Not quite as good a the button, but still a strong player.


You guys really think callin the flop raise is a good idea; without some kind of monster read or something?

blake

[jt1]

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You guys really think callin the flop raise is a good idea; without some kind of monster read or something?

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You never gave us a read so I guessed your hero had one, but no, I don't think it's a good idea. But, having said that, it isn't terrible. A turn raise will often take the hand, just not often enough to do it without 2 overs and a b/d draw.

[imported_ncray]

If I was BB, I would tell hero to call that every time. I BB defend pretty liberally (inspired by that peter_rus post), and I would pretty much c/r this flop every time (with any 2) as BB and lead any turn, folding to a raise.

Versus a more passive BB, then I fold the flop to the raise every time. If he's a tag and has shown trickiness, I like a call.

[baronzeus]

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and I would pretty much c/r this flop every time (with any 2) as BB and lead any turn, folding to a raise.

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this is a really bad board to c/r with any 2

[The Truth]

Also, if he has a pair, you are drawing to 3 outs. You dont even have 2 overs.

I think consistently c/ring flops like this can get ya punished. I think you'll be pouring bets into a pot drawing nearly dead OOP too often.


blake