55: JJ laydown

***** Hand History for Game 3004897785 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:17251492 Level:3 Blinds(25/50)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: hardtilt ( $915 )
Seat 2: maddysarah ( $1610 )
Seat 3: nbk9uuh ( $1905 )
Seat 5: ChriscoTek ( $470 )
Seat 6: AGGIEPOKER09 ( $1015 )
Seat 8: HERO ( $1020 )
Seat 9: playthefool ( $620 )
Seat 10: gpwhls ( $2445 )
Trny:17251492 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Jh Jc ]
playthefool folds.
gpwhls folds.
hardtilt folds.
maddysarah raises [200].
nbk9uuh folds.
ChriscoTek folds.
AGGIEPOKER09 folds.
HERO calls [150].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 5h, Qc ]
HERO bets [150].
maddysarah raises [800].
HERO ?????

I feel like I can let this go…but was my initial preflop call off….should I have fired back maybe preflop

[splashpot]

I'd push preflop.

shove it PF

I'd go all-in preflop. Only AA-QQ have you beat preflop, anything higher than a J on the flop is going to cause you a lot of heartache.

With these blinds I'm inclined to push preflop.

[zipppy]

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With these blinds I'm inclined to push preflop.

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??

The blinds are 25/50...3rd level. Hero has 20 bbs; is it really necessary to push here? JJ is not necessarily a monster hand 8 handed. I don't think a push is wrong, but I like a call a lot of times.

Your position does suck...did you have any reads on the villian?

calling leaves you with 8 BBs at the next level, which is still a bit of FE.

>>>ZIPPPY

4th best hand, >50% chance of an overcard flopping and I'm out of position.

My hand isn't a monster, it's strong yet vulnerable to most flops that's why I prefer to have it all in preflop.

i didnt really have a read on the guy.....is my bet on the flop better then a check/fold instead....

If villain is raising AA-TT, AK, AQ, KQ, hero's a 51-49 dog. Is villain's range ever enough wider than that for hero to be a real favorite? Will villain fold the coin-flip hands here to a push getting in the neighborhood of 1.5-1?

Crappy spot either way, I guess, but I think I'm more likely to play it the way hero did than to push pre-flop with blinds at this level. Seems like if hero's going to bet the flop, though, it needs to be more than 150.

[runner4life7]

I just think calling with Jacks is never good. the 56% of the time overs flop you are gonna have to be at least semi-concerned. And then the other times if you are against AA-QQ and you get your unders you are still in trouble. This is my reasoning to push PF because they are so hard to play postflop.

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I just think calling with Jacks is never good. the 56% of the time overs flop you are gonna have to be at least semi-concerned. And then the other times if you are against AA-QQ and you get your unders you are still in trouble. This is my reasoning to push PF because they are so hard to play postflop.

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Is folding JJ pre-flop in this spot a consideration, then?

[bennies]

how about a checkpush?

(I push preflop by the way)

[raptor517]

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I just think calling with Jacks is never good. the 56% of the time overs flop you are gonna have to be at least semi-concerned. And then the other times if you are against AA-QQ and you get your unders you are still in trouble. This is my reasoning to push PF because they are so hard to play postflop.

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Is folding JJ pre-flop in this spot a consideration, then?

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sure, i consider it right before i shove my chips in. i duno against the right person ill fold this like 10% of the time, maybe 15, i duno, but standard is a shove. holla