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11-08-2005, 07:43 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (25 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, UTG folds, MP1 3-bets, MP3 caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (18.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero?

MP1 is 37/15/1.9
MP3 is 62/.9/1.7

I think preflop and flop are really standard. Do you call 2 back to you on the flop with TPTK?

On the turn, Do you give up getting 21.5 to 2 with a potential reraise behind you?

hemstock

11-08-2005, 07:48 PM

Muck. One of them can obviously beat TPTK

TheKentock

11-08-2005, 07:52 PM

I angrily fold here. MP1 check/3-bet your ass on the flop, he ain't foolin around.

11-08-2005, 07:52 PM

With the flop action, I'd be concerned. I'd put MP1 on most likely two pair and discount a set of aces since you're holding one and there's one on the board. MP3 comes alive after the flop so I'd be asking myself if he has a set 6's or 7's. With two more back to me, I'd be thinking I need runner runner to win and the pot odds aren't there.

Maybe I'm just seeing monsters under the bed /images/graemlins/smile.gif

11-08-2005, 07:54 PM

If these guys weren't such huge donkeys I think I could find a fold on the turn. But I think I call and hope MP1 slows down.

11-08-2005, 07:55 PM

i would normally fold. It looks that only A on the river helps me and I have smth. like 7-8 to 1 only (reraise now is possible, but if A falls, it will probably scare pocket pairs bettors). What is
37/15/1.9 please? i didnot find it in FAQ.

perflop % / ? / agressivness? what is in the middle?

11-08-2005, 07:57 PM

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If these guys weren't such huge donkeys I think I could find a fold on the turn. But I think I call and hope MP1 slows down.

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That's what was going through my mind on the turn. They are both pretty LAG. I am pretty sure that I am behind. But we've all had those hands where 2 donkeys just go crazy and think their JJ and AT are good on this board. I get SO pissed when I fold those hands.

Edit: I guess I shoud check the turn card before I post hypothetical hands. AT is pretty good and better than AKs at this point.

11-08-2005, 07:59 PM

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If these guys weren't such huge donkeys I think I could find a fold on the turn. But I think I call and hope MP1 slows down.

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That's what was going through my mind on the turn. They are both pretty LAG. I am pretty sure that I am behind. But we've all had those hands where 2 donkeys just go crazy and think their JJ and AT are good on this board. I get SO pissed when I fold those hands.

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Especially in a pot this size, when you still have tons of outs to beat any two pair hand, I think I would be hard pressed to fold against these opponents.

11-08-2005, 08:17 PM

Im thinking the best you can do on this one is split the pot.

11-08-2005, 08:20 PM

/me as poker newbie would fold.

I think there is a good change you will beat mp1 (preflop suggests something he likes, perhaps AQ or KK or something a bit worse.).

MP3 is however more a problem. I think there is a reasonable change that your up against a set and even when u hit another A or K that won't be enough to beat it. Another K gives u just 2Pair and another aces gives your opponent possible a fullhouse).

Besides that; even if your up against something like 2pair you will probably need to pay a lot for it. It doesn't seem like MP1 and MP3 are going to slow down. So to check if TPTK is good enough you will have to pay 2 much.

11-08-2005, 10:26 PM

I wouldnt fold. If you eliminate AA (likely since there is one on the board and one in your hand and two players agressively playing). A 7 makes you a 85-15 dog. Odds justify calling. On the other hand a set means your drawing close to dead.

A 7 = 6-1 (approximate but makes the math easy)
Set = 0
I am going to eliminate straight and two pair not including the A due to the early betting.

This means that if there is less than a 33% chance that one of the villans has set then you can play. So if you divide it by two that means that you need less than a 17% chance that they have a set to justify calling. I dont like those odds. Fold.