($22) KJo flopped top two pair -- is my push correct?

***** Hand History for Game 3002497925 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:17239697 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, November 08, 12:13:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 67177 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 10: Lacrecio ( $1690 )
Seat 5: Tankdog316 ( $790 )
Seat 8: Headles ( $755 )
Seat 3: Bazuulbazuul ( $800 )
Seat 7: Deanswild ( $755 )
Seat 4: Mr_Hobbs ( $800 )
Seat 1: dealem333 ( $770 )
Seat 2: NO3WASNO1 ( $1640 )
Trny:17239697 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bazuulbazuul [ Js Kd ]
dealem333 folds.
NO3WASNO1 calls [15].
Bazuulbazuul calls [15].
Mr_Hobbs calls [15].
Tankdog316 folds.
Deanswild calls [15].
Headles calls [5].
Lacrecio checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 7c, Jc ]
Headles checks.
Lacrecio checks.
NO3WASNO1 checks.
Bazuulbazuul bets [65].
Mr_Hobbs calls [65].
Deanswild raises [175].
Headles folds.
Lacrecio folds.
NO3WASNO1 calls [175].
Bazuulbazuul is all-In [720]
Mr_Hobbs folds.
Deanswild folds.
NO3WASNO1 calls [610].

Results in white below:
<font color="white">
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
NO3WASNO1 shows [ 2c, 4c ] high card king.
Bazuulbazuul shows [ Js, Kd ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
Bazuulbazuul wins 1900 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and jacks. </font>

Third hand, no reads. Am I correct to push here?

[Hornacek]

Yes. nh.

You want draws to call you (or better yet, fold). Only hands you're dominated by are sets, but there's nothing you can do about that.

Thanks Horneacek. Is there ever time that I should worry about sets? Or are they such long odds that I'll lose more money over time trying to lay down to them?

I fold KJo preflop in this spot. You played it perfect on the flop. Difficult to say in general, but don't try to put somebody on a set and lay this down. More often than not they have top pair, two smaller pair og a draw.

surely you're not serious? how could anyone lay top two pair down in a $22 with no straight or flush out?

[wuwei]

I would fold preflop.

Flop play is perfect.

No I wasn't going to lay this hand down. My question is, when do you worry about sets on the flop? Or do you never worry about them and just eat it when they come.

Do you fold top-pair top-kicker to a reraiser thinking they may have two pair or a set?

[Hornacek]

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I would fold preflop.

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This is a very important concept I would like to emphasize to the lower limit SNG players. It seems like these trouble hands often are on the losing ends of eventual all-ins on these low limit tables, and should be avoided in the first 3-4 rounds completely.

[sng-sam]

Yeah this thread is simple.

Issue #1: Calling UTG with KJo bad move but you made it soo..

Issue #2: Based on the action your push is excellent.

Remember the gist of the fundamental theorem of poker is that your job is to bet the amount of money that makes it mathematically incorrect for them to call. Over time this means you make the most money. So charging these guys to chase their flushes by pushing all in was perfect.

Straight Flushes,

SAM

Very very correct.

[wuwei]

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My question is, when do you worry about sets on the flop?

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At the $22 level, worrying about a set against random players is pointless. The only time you should consider a set or a monster is when facing a solid player that you can read and put on a hand.

Thanks guys. The fact that I was up against 2 players who both claimed to have a hand made me wonder if I needed to start worrying about sets. I'll be more confident about making that play in the future.

Regarding the many comments that I should have folded KJo preflop, thanks for pointing that out. I'm usually a very tight player, averaging 8%-10% $VPiP in the early levels. I was finding that when I did get a hand I could play, I frequently only won the blinds or maybe a couple bets from limpers before me. Last 50SnGs or so, many times I get to the bubble with a small stack and am forced to go all-in with Ax or 77 to keep from blinding out, without very good results.

I made a concious effort to loosen up my hand selection requirements in order to try to win more/bigger pots. I'm pretty good about folding mediocre hands. However you guys have convinced me that I'm not going about it the right way. Thanks, I'll go back to my tighter hand selections and hope for better luck.

[tigerite]

I don't care for the preflop limp, though it's not terrible behind a limper, your position is pretty crap. Flop play, as others have stated, is perfect. But then again on this flop it pretty much plays itself. The tricky part would be if it had only come K high.

[wuwei]

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I made a concious effort to loosen up my hand selection requirements in order to try to win more/bigger pots.

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This isn't a bad thing, but start loosening up only when you have position. Overlimp more hands on the button if you want to increase VP$IP. Then add the CO, especially when the button is tight and you often pick up the button by limping.

Thanks wuwei, this is definitely something I wasn't considering that I will be considering moving forward. Much appreciated.