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fyodor

11-08-2005, 02:47 AM

I had CO pegged as a LAG. Hand seems pretty straightforward. Then he cr the river.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (5.70 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls, folds or reraises?

JimmyJazz1

11-08-2005, 02:52 AM

Easy raise. If he had AK, he raises PF. You want to get value out of your higher straight if he has the 8, wich he most likely does.

jt1

11-08-2005, 02:57 AM

easy fold to his J9.

fyodor

11-08-2005, 03:09 AM

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Easy raise. If he had AK, he raises PF. You want to get value out of your higher straight if he has the 8, wich he most likely does.

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I figured he at least had a King. If he doesn't I don't see how he calls a 3 bet. I also figure there is an outside shot he has AK and there is no way to fold to the cap given he limped pf.

fyodor

11-08-2005, 03:10 AM

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easy fold to his J9.

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huh?

TazQ

11-08-2005, 03:11 AM

Meh, if his PFR > 20% you will see AK here never.

3-bet and watch him call/cap with any K, two pair, set, or lower straight.

fyodor

11-08-2005, 03:31 AM

Well I got lucky and just called because this was the one time this guy decided to mix it up and just limp pf with AKo

I agree though that in general he will call a 3 bet or even cap with a rivered 2 pair more often than he plays AK this way. So I was lucky but weak.

TazQ

11-08-2005, 03:32 AM

And when I said never I obviously meant "most of the time"... /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

mperich

11-08-2005, 03:36 AM

I dont understand the question here.

-Mike

fyodor

11-08-2005, 03:42 AM

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I dont understand the question here.

-Mike

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The question is: against a known lag do you ever give him credit for AK here or do you just go ahead and 3 bet the river?

ArturiusX

11-08-2005, 03:47 AM

A lag raises AK preflop almost always. Plus we have 2 of the KK's. We'll rarely see AK here, sometimes a split, more probably a bluff.

mperich

11-08-2005, 04:11 AM

Never ever ever ever ever. Not only is it unlikely based on hand reading, but it is mathematically unlikely as well. You are missing a ton of value not 3 betting here.

-Mike

Solid_p

11-08-2005, 03:55 PM

Folds!

No, this is the easiest 3-bet ever...

DMBFan23

11-08-2005, 04:13 PM

I played a hand just like this the other day, but I had KJ. I 3 bet the river just so he'd be hesitant to c/r me in the future lightly, you know, for metagame reasons or whatever. also my mouse was over the 'raise' button and I didnt want to move it all the way over to 'call' I was sure I chopped. nope.