Top 2 vs super maniac and a fish

[Ryan11]

Button is 88/76 and will bet and raise with with bottom pair or complete air and won't give up

Other villian is 45/0 and is a standard weak calling station


Is capping this turn a little much? This river sucks for me but do I still need to bet it? I guess I could bet/fold to the villian but bet/call if Button raises, or is even bet/folding to villian horrible?

Thoughts?


Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (16.00 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB folds, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (16.00 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (28.00 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 28.00 BB.

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Button is 88/76 and will bet and raise with with bottom pair or complete air and won't give up

Other villian is 45/0 and is a standard weak calling station


Is capping this turn a little much? This river sucks for me but do I still need to bet it? I guess I could bet/fold to the villian but bet/call if Button raises, or is even bet/folding to villian horrible?

Thoughts?


Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (16.00 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB folds, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (16.00 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (28.00 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 28.00 BB.

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This pot is ginormous and I think folding it under any circumstances is bad. Any AF stats on villians? Given your read I would b/c this river ... against normal plays I would c/c as button's play preflop &amp; flop sound like a set of jacks ...

If MP2 were to come alive on the river, it would suck, but I would grit my teeth and call one more.

Oh yeah, and I cap that turn.

[Nick C]

I would bet the river.

What's going to suck is that if MP2 raises, Button may 3-bet. Then you're going to know that MP2 probably made his flush, but it's still going to be hard to fold top two in this huge pot.

However, is MP2 really raising a flush draw on the flop? I guess it's possible, but you said he was a calling station. A hand like J /images/graemlins/spade.gif 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif is possible, and unfortunately so is 77, but I think it's more likely he has an ace.

And if that ace happens to be A /images/graemlins/club.gif 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif, I guess maybe he'll raise it on the river.

For his part, there is some chance Button has you beat or outdrew you, but I don't think there's any reason to assume he has a better hand. From the sounds of it, his raises pretty much mean nothing.

[Ryan11]

I was in no way worried about the button. He bet and raised me and called my river bet with 8 high previously. I was worried about possibly the villian raising his flush draw for freecard. And since he cold called so much after that, that is what made me think flushdraw.