KS hand rankings

[lmw]

I have been looking for a list of the karlson-sklansky hand rankings and have seen different list with some hands in different order. Is the following an accurate list of the hand rankings that you use for pushing on the bubble

Hand
AA
KK
AKs
QQ
AKo
JJ
AQs
TT
AQo
99
AJs
88
ATs
AJo
77
66
ATo Top 10%
A9s
55
A8s
KQs
44
A9o
A7s
KJs
A5s
A8o
A6s
A4s
33
KTs
A7o
A3s
KQo TOP 20%
A2s
A5o
A6o
A4o
KJo
QJs
A3o
22
K9s
A2o
KTo
QTs
K8s
K7s
JTs
K9o
K6s TOP 30%
QJo
Q9s
K5s
K8o
K4s
QTo
K7o
K3s
K2s
Q8s
K6o
J9s
K5o
Q9o
JTo
K4o
Q7s TOP 40%
T9s
Q6s
K3o
J8s
Q5s
K2o
Q8o
Q4s
J9o
Q3s
T8s
J7s
Q7o
Q2s
Q6o
98s
Q5o TOP 50%
J8o
T9o
J6s
T7s
J5s
Q4o
J4s
J7o
Q3o
97s
T8o
J3s
T6s
Q2o
J2s
87s
J6o TOP 60%
98o
T7o
96s
J5o
T5s
T4s
86s
J4o
T6o
97o
T3s
76s
95s
J3o
T2s
87o
85s TOP 70%
96o
T5o
J2o
75s
94s
T4o
65s
86o
93s
84s
95o
T3o
76o
92s
74s
54s
T2o TOP 80%
85o
64s
83s
94o
75o
82s
73s
93o
65o
53s
63s
84o
92o
43s
74o
72s
54o TOP 90%
64o
52s
62s
83o
42s
82o
73o
53o
63o
32s
43o
72o
52o
62o
42o
32o

[lmw]

in the SNGPT forum eastbay said

There are 169 preflop hand types. Each of those types can be made multiple ways. A pair can be made 6 ways, a suited hand 4 ways, and unsuited split hand 12 ways.

The percentage refers to the total number of hands, not the % of the rank groups. So 30% does not mean .3*169 = the top ~51 types, it means the top 30% of the total hands, considering the number of hands of each type.

This means my % are wrong. does anyone have a link for a list that denotes the % based on the total number of ways to make a hand?

[lmw]

anyone?

[bones]

I cant tell if you're asking for the KS rankings. If so, here. (http://www.decf.berkeley.edu/~chubukov/rankings.html)

If not, sorry.

You could have figured it out yourself with a spreadsheet in the time you've been waiting for a response.

[lmw]

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You could have figured it out yourself with a spreadsheet in the time you've been waiting for a response.

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I don't mind doing the work if someone would be kind enough to get me started. I'm not experienced with excel, but I do have it on my computer. I just thought for sure someone would have this kind of information already, but if not, just tell me what to do and i get the percentages and post them.

Well, for pairs, there are 6 ways to be dealt them: 4 choices for the first card times 3 choices for the second card divided by 2 (so you don't count AsAd and AdAs as different hands).

For suited hands there are four ways they can be dealt (one for each suit).

For off-suited hands there are 12 ways they can be dealt (four choices for the first card times 3 offsuited matches for each).

So, put the KS list in your spreadsheet and for each pair use a factor of 6, for each suited hand use a factor of 4 and for each unsuited (non-pair) hand use a factor of 12.

[lmw]

so if in one column i put the hand and in the next column i put the number of ways to deal that hand 6-4-12, and then i add up the total of the second column and multiply it by the percentage i'm want to get, will that give me the actual top 20% etc.

[tigerite]

Yes, remembering there are 1326 unique hands.

The sheet might look like:
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
ways cumulative Cum%
AA 6 6 0.45%
KK 6 12 0.90%
AKs 4 16 1.21%
QQ 6 22 1.66%
AKo 12 34 2.56%
JJ 6 40 3.02%
Aqs 4 44 3.32%
TT 6 50 3.77%
AQo 12 62 4.68%
99 6 68 5.13%
… … …
62o 12 1302 98.19%
42o 12 1314 99.10%
32o 12 1326 100.00% </pre><hr />

[lmw]

is there any easy way to get the cumulative and Cum%. I know the formulas, but do i need to enter it 169 times?

[lmw]

so i entered everything into excel and here's what i got. do these numbers look right?


Hand Ways Cumulative Cum%
AA 6 6 0.45%
KK 6 12 0.90%
AK s 4 16 1.21%
QQ 6 22 1.66%
AK o 12 34 2.56%
JJ 6 40 3.02%
AQ s 4 44 3.32%
TT 6 50 3.77%
AQ o 12 62 4.68%
99 6 68 5.13%
AJ s 4 72 5.43%
88 6 78 5.88%
AT s 4 82 6.18%
AJ o 12 94 7.09%
77 6 100 7.54%
66 6 106 7.99%
AT o 12 118 8.90%
A9s 4 122 9.20%
55 6 128 9.65%
A8s 4 132 9.95%
KQs 4 136 10.26%
44 6 142 10.71%
A9o 12 154 11.61%
A7s 4 158 11.92%
KJs 4 162 12.22%
A5s 4 166 12.52%
A8o 12 178 13.42%
A6s 4 182 13.73%
A4s 4 186 14.03%
33 6 192 14.48%
KTs 4 196 14.78%
A7o 12 208 15.69%
A3s 4 212 15.99%
KQ o 12 224 16.89%
A2s 4 228 17.19%
A5o 12 240 18.10%
A6o 12 252 19.00%
A4o 12 264 19.91%
KJ o 12 276 20.81%
QJs 4 280 21.12%
A3o 12 292 22.02%
22 6 298 22.47%
K9s 4 302 22.78%
A2o 12 314 23.68%
KT o 12 326 24.59%
QTs 4 330 24.89%
K8s 4 334 25.19%
K7s 4 338 25.49%
JTs 4 342 25.79%
K9o 12 354 26.70%
K6s 4 358 27.00%
QJ o 12 370 27.90%
Q9s 4 374 28.21%
K5s 4 378 28.51%
K8o 12 390 29.41%
K4s 4 394 29.71%
QT o 12 406 30.62%
K7o 12 418 31.52%
K3s 4 422 31.83%
K2s 4 426 32.13%
Q8s 4 430 32.43%
K6o 12 442 33.33%
J9s 4 446 33.63%
K5o 12 458 34.54%
Q9o 12 470 35.44%
JT o 12 482 36.35%
K4o 12 494 37.25%
Q7s 4 498 37.56%
T9s 4 502 37.86%
Q6s 4 506 38.16%
K3o 12 518 39.06%
J8s 4 522 39.37%
Q5s 4 526 39.67%
K2o 12 538 40.57%
Q8o 12 550 41.48%
Q4s 4 554 41.78%
J9o 12 566 42.68%
Q3s 4 570 42.99%
T8s 4 574 43.29%
J7s 4 578 43.59%
Q7o 12 590 44.49%
Q2s 4 594 44.80%
Q6o 12 606 45.70%
98s 4 610 46.00%
Q5o 12 622 46.91%
J8o 12 634 47.81%
T9o 12 646 48.72%
J6s 4 650 49.02%
T7s 4 654 49.32%
J5s 4 658 49.62%
Q4o 12 670 50.53%
J4s 4 674 50.83%
J7o 12 686 51.73%
Q3o 12 698 52.64%
97s 4 702 52.94%
T8o 12 714 53.85%
J3s 4 718 54.15%
T6s 4 722 54.45%
Q2o 12 734 55.35%
J2s 4 738 55.66%
87s 4 742 55.96%
J6o 12 754 56.86%
98o 12 766 57.77%
T7o 12 778 58.67%
96s 4 782 58.97%
J5o 12 794 59.88%
T5s 4 798 60.18%
T4s 4 802 60.48%
86s 4 806 60.78%
J4o 12 818 61.69%
T6o 12 830 62.59%
97o 12 842 63.50%
T3s 4 846 63.80%
76s 4 850 64.10%
95s 4 854 64.40%
J3o 12 866 65.31%
T2s 4 870 65.61%
87o 12 882 66.52%
85s 4 886 66.82%
96o 12 898 67.72%
T5o 12 910 68.63%
J2o 12 922 69.53%
75s 4 926 69.83%
94s 4 930 70.14%
T4o 12 942 71.04%
65s 4 946 71.34%
86o 12 958 72.25%
93s 4 962 72.55%
84s 4 966 72.85%
95o 12 978 73.76%
T3o 12 990 74.66%
76o 12 1002 75.57%
92s 4 1006 75.87%
74s 4 1010 76.17%
54s 4 1014 76.47%
T2o 12 1026 77.38%
85o 12 1038 78.28%
64s 4 1042 78.58%
83s 4 1046 78.88%
94o 12 1058 79.79%
75o 12 1070 80.69%
82s 4 1074 81.00%
73s 4 1078 81.30%
93o 12 1090 82.20%
65o 12 1102 83.11%
53s 4 1106 83.41%
63s 4 1110 83.71%
84o 12 1122 84.62%
92o 12 1134 85.52%
43s 4 1138 85.82%
74o 12 1150 86.73%
72s 4 1154 87.03%
54o 12 1166 87.93%
64o 12 1178 88.84%
52s 4 1182 89.14%
62s 4 1186 89.44%
83o 12 1198 90.35%
42s 4 1202 90.65%
82o 12 1214 91.55%
73o 12 1226 92.46%
53o 12 1238 93.36%
63o 12 1250 94.27%
32s 4 1254 94.57%
43o 12 1266 95.48%
72o 12 1278 96.38%
52o 12 1290 97.29%
62o 12 1302 98.19%
42o 12 1314 99.10%
32o 12 1326 100.00%

[jedinite]

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so i entered everything into excel and here's what i got. do these numbers look right?

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Yep. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[lmw]

That's great news.

If anyone wants a a better looking list pm me your email and i'll send it to you as an attachment. Thanks for everyone who helped me along with this. I actually learned a little bit about excel, like instead of manually adding the cumulative column I could have entered the formula once and highlighted the entire column. good thing i figured it out before i did the cum %

[fluorescenthippo]

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Is the following an accurate list of the hand rankings that you use for pushing on the bubble


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these hand rankings have nothing to do with the bubble.

[lmw]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Is the following an accurate list of the hand rankings that you use for pushing on the bubble


[/ QUOTE ]

these hand rankings have nothing to do with the bubble.

[/ QUOTE ]

So when SNGPT tells me to push the top 46% or 12% etc. it's not referring to the KS hand rankings?

[fluorescenthippo]

it is but thats a different question. KS rankings are best used for pushing into the BB from the SB when you arent on the bubble.

[lmw]

I was just trying to compile a list that i could use along with SNGPT to develop my instincts in different situations and was unable to find a list that hand the rankings broken down by % of the possible ways to deal a hand. So now that i have this list, when i play my next SNG and I know i should be pushing the top 47% of my hands, I can refer to my list and see where my hand falls and determine my play. This also gives my an opportunity to get familiar with the rankings and where different hands fall into them. Is there something wrong with my logic here?

[tigerite]

KS rankings are not totally accurate for the bubble, but then again, nobody has yet come up with a list that is, so they're a good approximation.

[fluorescenthippo]

why do you need hands broken down by %? SnGPT tells you the exact hands needed.

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why do you need hands broken down by %? SnGPT tells you the exact hands needed.

[/ QUOTE ]SNGPT will convert % to ranges, but not ranges to percentages.

And hey, one might want to know just for the sake of knowing.