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Dominic
11-07-2005, 04:08 PM
DOMINIC'S MANIFESTO
on sex and relationships

part 2


When I was growing up, my father would drill into me the tenents of Being a Man: treat women like they're special; a man always pays for a woman; women are pure and fragile, and should be treated as such...

in short - always be a Gentleman.

Well, I love and respect my Dad, so naturally, I followed his advice. All through high school, college and all the way into my 30s, I was a Gentleman.

I always treated women with deference and respect.
I always paid - drinks, dinner...hell as long as I was in the company of the fairer sex, not a one of them ever had to pay.
First dates were always extravagant dinners at only the best restaurants (that I could afford).

When it came to sex, I would rarely innitiate anything, so as not to offend the poor girl. And then, only if I was getting signals so obvious, a dead man could see them.

So where did all this gentlemanly behaviour get me?

With lots of girls who loved being taken out and wined and dined, but who would seemingly never want to actually date me. Oh sure, I got laid now and then, had a couple of serious relationships, fell in love.

But I started to feel...well, used. I'd look at some of my [censored] friends and see them get laid all the time - hell, usually with the girls I was spending my paychecks on! What the hell?? I'M paying for your goddamned dinner, I'M the one treating you with repect, I'M the one you call when your car breaks down and you need a ride.

I'm the guy you always say you want, the one who's nice and kind and always there for you, a good listener, a nice guy. I'm a GENTLEMAN, goddammit!

Why are you fuking the assholes?

I can't remember the turning point in my dating life, the epiphany that shocked my world view, or exactly when I decide my dear 'ol Dad was full of [censored].

All I know, is that I had had enough. I was tired of being taken advantage of, I was tired of being a pussy. I was tired of being the "nice guy." You remember Jon Favreau in Swingers? I was tired of being him. I wanted to be Vince Vaughn.

So what did I do? Did I become a complete and utter [censored]? Am I now that guy you hate - loud, obnoxious at parties, always hitting on every available and unavailable woman in the hopes of a getting laid by sheer brute force of numbers?

Of course not. I just changed my attitude a little. I stopped taking women out to expensive dinners on a first date. I stopped paying for girls at bars, at lunch, wherever - unless we were actually on a date. No more going to the cool cafe with the chick who used to bang my best friend and who I have a crush on, hanging out, listening to her bitch about her ex and the new guy she's sleeping with - and paying for her meal.

No more going out with any girl at any time unless it was abundantly clear that this is a date! And there was a distinct possibility of sexual activity at some point in the evening.

I made sure that a girl knew I was interested in her romantically, sexually, more than "buddies." There was no possibility of miscommunication in this matter.

And it was amazing how this turned my sex life - and my dating life - around.

And you know what, I'm still a Gentleman.

I hold doors for women, I do treat them with respect - but no more or less than anyone else, regardless of gender. I'm not a complete [censored]. Only a little bit of one.

Like I said, I'm still a Gentleman. Only now, I know when it's time to not be a gentlman.

You can do it to. You don't have to be a pussy, and you don't have to be a total prick. You just have to embrace your inner [censored].

How to do that? Simple:

1) Never pay for a girl who is not on a date with you.
2) Always be upfront and honest about your intentions. Girls are incredibly attracted to confidence and a man who is straight forward and knows what he wants. Hell, it even turns her on when she knows what you want is her, and you aren't ashamed or afraid to say so.
3) You can ask a girl out twice. If she makes an excuse both times, you do not ask her out again. Ever. You move on. Next.
4) You don't listen to girls bitch about the other guy(s) they are sleeping with. That's what her girlfriends are for. Remind her, you are not her girlfriend.
5) While you should make sure she knows of your interest in her, you can't make it so you seem desperate for her. Yes, you're interested. Is she? No? Next! THAT'S your attitude.

Those of you have heard Tom Leykis will say I'm just repeating his advice. While I do think a lot of what he says has merit, I'm interested in more than just getting you laid. I assume a lot of you want relationships, too. And that's what I mostly want to give advice on.

So stop being a doormat. Stop waiting for the girl across the room to make the first move. That's your job. I know it's scary, I know it sucks to get turned down, but believe me, it feels a hell of a lot better than going home, alone, knowing you never even took the shot. Be a Gentleman. But be a little bit of an [censored], too. It'll work wonders.

***********

And now for a couple of questions for Dr. Dom...

This poster prefers to remain annonymous:

Dear Dr. Dom,

I'd like to get your thoughts on something. Once you've been in a relationship with a girl, and she's cheated on you, do you think it could ever work out in the future?

I won't go into the background too much as I think its probably not necessary, but at the end of highschool and through college I was involved with a girl. Dated for about 2.5 years. In the end I learned the truth behind the "long distance relationships don't work in college" reality, and she got too drunk one night and hooked up with someone. I basically cut her out of my life for the next year and half or so. To this day, a few years later, we still don't ever really talk. I've discussed this with friends and I don't think I could ever truly have a relationship with someone who's done that to me. Some have said that it might in fact work years later. Anyway, I'm curious as to your thoughts. I think this situation happens a lot and that the guys often have to man up, face reality, and realize that if this girl does something once, no matter how many years in the future, you'll still be the guy who let her cheat on me and then still take her back, even if its years later.

This is a tough one. Lots of extenuating circumstances here - long distance relationship, you were both still in school, etc. Were you really a "couple" or just seeing each other? Guess it doesn't matter, because it still feels like you've been cheated on, either way, right?

My opinion on taking back a cheater is this: it's an extremely personal matter. Can you forgive and forget? A drunken episode in college does not make a wanton slut out of any girl, and if she's sincerely remoresful and if you can really let it go, then yes, I do think trying again can work.

Everyone makes mistakes - expecially in college - that's what college is for.

But what you have to be brutally honest with yourself is this: can your ego really let it go? Can you be man and not have the thought of her boning some other guy get to you, and thus, ruin your relationship? Not many men can.

My personal feelings regarding cheating is, the relationship is over. I've never been cheated on, to the best of knowledge, but I don't think I could forgive someone that kind of breech of trust. But you never know. Love is a powerful force.

So my gut on this one is telling me this: if you truly love her, you can forgive her. If she's just an ex you're still interested in, still want to bone, still want to see what might happen....then no, I don't think it can work.

*******

Dear Dr. Dom,

Allright here goes. Yes this is a gimmick account, I am lame.

I'm 21 years old and I can't get it up. Not because I'm physically unable to, but because I don't get sexually excited anymore. It used to be that I got excited whenever I saw a bikini on TV. Now I don't even get excited when a beautiful naked girl wants to have sex with me. I'll get it up but not 100% and not for long. She gave me a blowjob and even that barely excited me. All I can get off to is porn and my own hand. What on earth should I do??? I tried not masturbating for a week, but I cracked down and did it anyway last night. Try longer? There must be another solution - it must be possible to both masturbate a few times a week AND be capable of sex, right? Please, any insight would be helpful.

Serious problem, and one I would take up with your doctor. You need to rule out the possibility it's a physiological problem, and not a psychological one.

But I'll take a stab at it. Could be, you've "trained" yourself to only be able to get excited through porn and your own hand. It happens. You need to find a girl who you trust, and work it out together. Letting her know of your problem might just release all that pressure you are putting on yourself to perform. Believe me, performance anxity is nothing to laugh about - it WILL keep you from performing. It's a viscious circle. If you have a girl you can try different things with, it can become a fun game - "let's see what will keep Charlie hard the longest." Also, try concentrating on her pleasure - oral, hands, etc. That also might relieve a bit of the performance anxiety you are suffering from.

Mostly though, you do need to see a doctor. Do not be ashamed of this problem. Literally MILLIONS of men suffer from sexual dysfunction in some form or another. Who do you think is buying all that Viagra??

Go see your doctor.

******

This next one's from RRRRICK:


Hi Dom

I love the idea of your Dr DOM column and i think many of us can benifit from your guidance

I'd like your opinion here?

This is the situation

I have a relationship with this woman that exists because of work. I am her client in a supplier/client relationship.

She's 30 I'm 31.

She's intelligent, mature, lot's of fun and of course pretty damm cute.

To cut a long story short we have a very laid back working relationship which is full of banter and loads of flirting.

Is it possible that this could go somewhere and if so what's the best approach?

Or is it just a case of two people pushing eachother because they understand the boundaries and know that it can't go anywhere?

There's one added hurdle, one of my co workers was once upon a time engaged to her...hmmm

Thanks,

Rick

Well, Dr. Dom doesn't like to pee where he eats, you know? But I think this completely depends on your work environment, the rules your business has against frtaternization, etc.

Even so, like I said....your job is your job. Do you want to endanger you livliehood for a piece of tail? Remember, flirting is only flirting. Until one party no longer wants to flirt. Then, it's sexual harrassment.

********

Here's another annonymous one:


Hey Dr. Dom,
I am a 3rd year university student studying bio-psychology. I am 5'9, 160 pounds, work out regularly and am told I am cute/good looking. Just about everyone I know says I am quick witted, very funny as well as very social.

But I can't get laid. I have oppurtunities to, but all are with girl friends who want something more, a serious commitment and I generally don't find them to attractive. I think I should be with a girl who is pretty hot, as most people expect this of me and I consider myself a good catch. Once in a while I will meet a girl in a bar or club, fool around with her and get her msn/phone number, but nothing ever materializes there. It always seems like something is about to happen, but then the girl does something stupid, like show up late for something, is involved with another guy, or asks me to do something and I have the "its my way or the high way attitude", as girls supposedly respond better to that. And in my experience it is true (though its not working to well overall hence this letter). I am very frustrated, as most people on here post about how easy it is to get laid in university, and a lot of my friends are sleeping with girls left and right. Most people think I am doing great, but I am barely keeping my head above water.

Any advice you have would be very much appreciated.

Well, I know it's frustrating. But without knowing what you're doing or not doing correctly, I really can't give you much advice.

Although, "my way or the highway" may be a litttle strong....you should have confidence, be a man and all that, but there's no need to be a dick. Maybe you're rubbing these girls the wrong way with your attitude. You still need to be nice and not just an [censored].

Or, take a break from girls for awhile. Concentrate on your studies. Or a sport. Or poker. Sometimes when you stop looking for something, you finally find it.

*******

And finally, from a fan....

You're the man, great stuff in Dr. Dom #1.
Seriously though, can you teach me to be like you?
Can I be your apprentice?

Dr. Dom is always taking applications for interns. The job entails sifting through the hate mail, returning phone calls to all the women who want Dr. Dom, but who, sadly, will never have him now that he is taken, and, lancing the boils on his butt. If you want the position, it's yours.

**********

Remember, you can always PM Dr. Dom and ask him for advice:

Dr. Dom (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sendprivate.php?Cat=0)

And thanks for reading!

diebitter
11-07-2005, 04:19 PM
I remember Richard Feynman saying much the same thing in one of his lectures/interviews (put into a book, 'Surely you're joking, Mr Feynman' I think). Yep, the nobel-prize physicist!

He related an experience where he'd buy girls drinks and get nowhere. One day he stopped, and then he started getting some!

Smart work Dr Dom!

Dominic
11-07-2005, 04:21 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I remember Richard Feynman saying much the same thing in one of his lectures/interviews (put into a book, 'Surely you're joking, Mr Feynman' I think). Yep, the nobel-prize physicist!

He related an experience where he'd buy girls drinks and get nowhere. One day he stopped, and then he started getting some!

Smart work Dr Dom!

[/ QUOTE ]

Feynman is one of my personal heroes...his books are fantastic.

11-07-2005, 04:22 PM
So when you say that you remind chicks you're not their girlfriend, can you gimme an example of how you'd say this?

JW because that could easily come off as a lil too [censored]

"I dont wanna hear about that, Im dont a @#$%@#$ chick!"

diebitter
11-07-2005, 04:25 PM
[ QUOTE ]


Feynman is one of my personal heroes...his books are fantastic.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, he was some guy. Did his thinking in strip clubs!

And did he inform and shape your thinking in this case? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

If so, I didn't learn as much as you from reading him. I stayed the gentleman (though there's no way I'd wait on the initiating things bit /images/graemlins/wink.gif )

Dominic
11-07-2005, 04:28 PM
[ QUOTE ]
So when you say that you remind chicks you're not their girlfriend, can you gimme an example of how you'd say this?

JW because that could easily come off as a lil too [censored]

"I dont wanna hear about that, Im dont a @#$%@#$ chick!"

[/ QUOTE ]

You smile a big [censored]-eating grin and say exactly that: "Sunshine, I'll sit hear and talk and have fun with you, but don't tell me your guy-problems...I'm not your girlfriend - I'm another guy who wants to get in your pants!"

It'll make them sputter, then laugh.
You'd be amazed how well this works.

Dominic
11-07-2005, 04:29 PM
[ QUOTE ]
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Feynman is one of my personal heroes...his books are fantastic.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, he was some guy. Did his thinking in strip clubs!

And did he inform and shape your thinking in this case? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

If so, I didn't learn as much as you from reading him. I stayed the gentleman (though there's no way I'd wait on the initiating things bit /images/graemlins/wink.gif )

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, in fact, I bet this is where I first learned the "azzhole" approach! Interesting....

11-07-2005, 04:30 PM
yeah, I use that line of thinking in other instances... its funny that only one time outta ten will they get mad... sometimes your directness turns em on, and sometimes they think you're joking.

great answer.

icepick
11-07-2005, 04:31 PM
Dr. Dom:

So I'm playing p*ker at the MGM this weekend. Some weirdo guy gives me this porn DVD that he claims to have directed.

What's my play?



<font color="white">Dear god, don't say SIIHP </font>

11-07-2005, 04:34 PM
[ QUOTE ]

You smile a big [censored]-eating grin and say exactly that: "Sunshine, I'll sit hear and talk and have fun with you, but don't tell me your guy-problems...I'm not your girlfriend - I'm another guy who wants to get in your pants!"


[/ QUOTE ]

How do you say this line? What's the phrasing?
Which words are emphasized and where + how long are the pauses?

diebitter
11-07-2005, 04:34 PM
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Feynman is one of my personal heroes...his books are fantastic.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, he was some guy. Did his thinking in strip clubs!

And did he inform and shape your thinking in this case? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

If so, I didn't learn as much as you from reading him. I stayed the gentleman (though there's no way I'd wait on the initiating things bit /images/graemlins/wink.gif )

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, in fact, I bet this is where I first learned the "azzhole" approach! Interesting....

[/ QUOTE ]


hmmm. Please don't tell me you learnt the rest from 'sex tips for boys', cos that means I'm in the Twilight Zone, and you got the life I shoulda had /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Shajen
11-07-2005, 04:36 PM
actually, being a gentleman is the way to go.

What you mean is:

don't let them take your masculinity from you. Don't let them make you "safe".

People often confuse being a man with being an [censored]. There is a huge difference.

slickpoppa
11-07-2005, 04:38 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I'm the guy you always say you want, the one who's nice and kind and always there for you, a good listener, a nice guy. I'm a GENTLEMAN, goddammit!

Why are you fuking the assholes?

I can't remember the turning point in my dating life, the epiphany that shocked my world view, or exactly when I decide my dear 'ol Dad was full of [censored].


[/ QUOTE ]

I had this exact same epiphany a couple of years ago. I would really like to believe that its not true, but it is.

captZEEbo1
11-07-2005, 04:43 PM
maybe this question is silly, but when you say stuff like no matter going out with girls and listening to them bitch about guys and never pay for them, are you saying that you shouldn't be friends with girls, or shouldn't be friends with girls that you want to sleep with? What about if you just happen to want to sleep with the girl that's your friend but won't act on it because she has a boyfriend (but you still really enjoy her company)?

Dominic
11-07-2005, 04:48 PM
[ QUOTE ]
maybe this question is silly, but when you say stuff like no matter going out with girls and listening to them bitch about guys and never pay for them, are you saying that you shouldn't be friends with girls, or shouldn't be friends with girls that you want to sleep with? What about if you just happen to want to sleep with the girl that's your friend but won't act on it because she has a boyfriend (but you still really enjoy her company)?

[/ QUOTE ]

read Dr. Dom #1. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Dominic
11-07-2005, 04:48 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Dr. Dom:

So I'm playing p*ker at the MGM this weekend. Some weirdo guy gives me this porn DVD that he claims to have directed.

What's my play?



<font color="white">Dear god, don't say SIIHP </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't believe him. And SIIHP.

BottlesOf
11-07-2005, 04:55 PM
I didn't read the Dear Dom. lettes but I loved your initial thoughts. Great advice.

imported_anacardo
11-07-2005, 05:07 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

You smile a big [censored]-eating grin and say exactly that: "Sunshine, I'll sit hear and talk and have fun with you, but don't tell me your guy-problems...I'm not your girlfriend - I'm another guy who wants to get in your pants!"


[/ QUOTE ]

How do you say this line? What's the phrasing?
Which words are emphasized and where + how long are the pauses?

[/ QUOTE ]

God in HEAVEN who CARES. Make it your own.

durron597
11-07-2005, 05:23 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

You smile a big [censored]-eating grin and say exactly that: "Sunshine, I'll sit hear and talk and have fun with you, but don't tell me your guy-problems...I'm not your girlfriend - I'm another guy who wants to get in your pants!"


[/ QUOTE ]

How do you say this line? What's the phrasing?
Which words are emphasized and where + how long are the pauses?

[/ QUOTE ]

God in HEAVEN who CARES. Make it your own.

[/ QUOTE ]

Broken sarcasm meter???

A_C_Slater
11-07-2005, 05:33 PM
Did you ever tell your father that he was wrong?

I'm envisioning you snapping and then telling him off in a Pacinoesque "what women really want" kind of speech.

siccjay
11-07-2005, 05:44 PM
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What about if you just happen to want to sleep with the girl that's your friend but won't act on it because she has a boyfriend (but you still really enjoy her company)?

[/ QUOTE ]

That's silly and unhealthy. Doing this just brings drama in your life. If it isn't now, it will later.

Dominic
11-07-2005, 06:08 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Did you ever tell your father that he was wrong?

I'm envisioning you snapping and then telling him off in a Pacinoesque "what women really want" kind of speech.

[/ QUOTE ]

My father is Fonzie. Not Henry Winkler, but the real Fonzie. Italian guy from Jersey. I tell him he's wrong all the time. He's yet to believe me.

11-07-2005, 08:03 PM
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I stopped taking women out to expensive dinners on a first date. I stopped paying for girls at bars, at lunch, wherever - unless we were actually on a date. No more going to the cool cafe with the chick who used to bang my best friend and who I have a crush on, hanging out, listening to her bitch about her ex and the new guy she's sleeping with - and paying for her meal.

No more going out with any girl at any time unless it was abundantly clear that this is a date! And there was a distinct possibility of sexual activity at some point in the evening.

I made sure that a girl knew I was interested in her romantically, sexually, more than "buddies." There was no possibility of miscommunication in this matter.

And it was amazing how this turned my sex life - and my dating life - around.

And you know what, I'm still a Gentleman. I hold doors for women, I do treat them with respect - but no more or less than anyone else, regardless of gender. I'm not a complete [censored]. Only a little bit of one.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is golden. I like to take it a little farther and not even pay for anything unless she has done something for me. Here is my play at a bar if a chick asks me to buy her a drink (which will always be the case because I NEVER offer one).
Her: "Will you buy me a drink?"
Me: "I will if you french kiss me."
If she says no, then she gets no drink. If she suggests a kiss on the cheek, no drink. More often then not if the situation is assessed correctly before you ask, you'll get the kiss. Sure it fails sometimes, but hey wtf has she done for me to deserve my hard earned money? This move is by far the best move I learned for use at a bar. The last time I paid for something for a girl before even kissed her was freshman year of college.....now I'm a senior.
Another key item to have in your disposal is to abuse the fact that girls are jealous, very, very jealous. I first learned this from a pal in high school. I blew my chance at this chick by letting her walk all over me and was doind the typical "gentleman" stuff. My friend told me to start to fade back from her. Talk to her less and less often, and when you do talk to her talk about other women, this is key. She will notice she doesn't have you anymore to listen to her bitching, so she can either step up her game to get your attention, or just stop talking to you and both of those are outcome you want. Needless to say, in a short 3 days after I mentioned other women to this girl, we were banging like there was no tommorrow.

meep_42
11-07-2005, 09:14 PM
Dom is this awesome in person, too.

-d

DcifrThs
11-07-2005, 09:16 PM
your last Dr. Dom column i think applies to me and i dont want to drag it up to ask one question: since girls and guys can't ever by "friends," does that fact, where accepted coupled with absolutely no expectations of intimacy (physical) actually lead to an equilibrium we can classify as friendship? and what are your thoughts on sleeping arrangements in that case.

case in point. i have 1 girl that is a friend. ive told her i love her and meant it. but not the "in love" kind of love. the love i have for my brother. we did meet when i was attracted to her though and she had a guy at the time i didn't know about so we became what you would call acquaintances. we hooked up once and after that never again. we'd hang out all the time and then i had a serious gf in NY and she was always there for me etc...after a previous girlfriend broke my heart i became obsessed with controlling the one thing i could (in my mind), my appearence. so i worked out all the time cardio running etc. and didn't eat much. none of my friends said anything to me. they just said, "oh, you look great." i weighed 128lbs at my lightest and still thought i was kinda fat, thus imperfect, thus need to continue.

in short, i became mildly anorexic. roxy was the ONLY person who did something about it. she came over every night and made me lasagna or baked ziti and made me eat it. she got me better. i will never forget that and i know i can trust her forever. we've been through a lot of breakups and sex issues and problems together. one night before i left dc, we were about to go to sleep and she started intimating subtly that she wanted to have sex. i similarly subtly told her its not a good idea. since then i went to visit her in december 2004 and we had a great time and she had a bf that was a bit clingy and "gay" and "dorky" but an overall nice guy. we talk on the phone regularly and will definately always be friends...

but...i bring this up now b/c im going to philly next week on tuesday to spend a week with her (not only do i miss her and want to hang out with her, but she's going through a rough spot, or has been for a long time and im going to be there for her. she has to testify the day before i arrive against her ex boyfriend re: assault, rape, battery, theft, grand theft etc....28 counts...she's liek the star witness)

nothing is going to happen physically and i dont expect anything nor want anything besides the fact i have a lovely gf. what is your opinion of sleeping arrangements? im now 25. if i still sleep in the same bed w/ a friend thats a girl, i dunno...seems college-ish...

when we hung out all the time in college, she'd come over (even when i had a gf or she had a bf), we'd smoke, chill out and end up sleeping in the same bed. now though i feel that it may be innapropriate but i can't wrap my mind about why i feel this way now, whereas it was perfectly fine before. i love her as a friend and trust her completely. but for some reason, now i feel that i may have to say to her "i think i'll sleep on the couch" or whatever else is available (assuming some alternative exists).

sorry to hijack your excellent post #2 and rehash an old issue but its coming up so i wanted to get your opinion on it.

thanks. and again, sorry for the temp hijack.

Barron

imported_anacardo
11-07-2005, 09:22 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

You smile a big [censored]-eating grin and say exactly that: "Sunshine, I'll sit hear and talk and have fun with you, but don't tell me your guy-problems...I'm not your girlfriend - I'm another guy who wants to get in your pants!"


[/ QUOTE ]

How do you say this line? What's the phrasing?
Which words are emphasized and where + how long are the pauses?

[/ QUOTE ]

God in HEAVEN who CARES. Make it your own.

[/ QUOTE ]

Broken sarcasm meter???

[/ QUOTE ]

I would hope so, but I'm willing to believe that an OOTer would ask this in all earnestness.

astroglide
11-07-2005, 09:37 PM
it cannot be benign if you're thinking about it this much

Dominic
11-07-2005, 10:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
your last Dr. Dom column i think applies to me and i dont want to drag it up to ask one question: since girls and guys can't ever by "friends," does that fact, where accepted coupled with absolutely no expectations of intimacy (physical) actually lead to an equilibrium we can classify as friendship? and what are your thoughts on sleeping arrangements in that case.

case in point. i have 1 girl that is a friend. ive told her i love her and meant it. but not the "in love" kind of love. the love i have for my brother. we did meet when i was attracted to her though and she had a guy at the time i didn't know about so we became what you would call acquaintances. we hooked up once and after that never again. we'd hang out all the time and then i had a serious gf in NY and she was always there for me etc...after a previous girlfriend broke my heart i became obsessed with controlling the one thing i could (in my mind), my appearence. so i worked out all the time cardio running etc. and didn't eat much. none of my friends said anything to me. they just said, "oh, you look great." i weighed 128lbs at my lightest and still thought i was kinda fat, thus imperfect, thus need to continue.

in short, i became mildly anorexic. roxy was the ONLY person who did something about it. she came over every night and made me lasagna or baked ziti and made me eat it. she got me better. i will never forget that and i know i can trust her forever. we've been through a lot of breakups and sex issues and problems together. one night before i left dc, we were about to go to sleep and she started intimating subtly that she wanted to have sex. i similarly subtly told her its not a good idea. since then i went to visit her in december 2004 and we had a great time and she had a bf that was a bit clingy and "gay" and "dorky" but an overall nice guy. we talk on the phone regularly and will definately always be friends...

but...i bring this up now b/c im going to philly next week on tuesday to spend a week with her (not only do i miss her and want to hang out with her, but she's going through a rough spot, or has been for a long time and im going to be there for her. she has to testify the day before i arrive against her ex boyfriend re: assault, rape, battery, theft, grand theft etc....28 counts...she's liek the star witness)

nothing is going to happen physically and i dont expect anything nor want anything besides the fact i have a lovely gf. what is your opinion of sleeping arrangements? im now 25. if i still sleep in the same bed w/ a friend thats a girl, i dunno...seems college-ish...

when we hung out all the time in college, she'd come over (even when i had a gf or she had a bf), we'd smoke, chill out and end up sleeping in the same bed. now though i feel that it may be innapropriate but i can't wrap my mind about why i feel this way now, whereas it was perfectly fine before. i love her as a friend and trust her completely. but for some reason, now i feel that i may have to say to her "i think i'll sleep on the couch" or whatever else is available (assuming some alternative exists).

sorry to hijack your excellent post #2 and rehash an old issue but its coming up so i wanted to get your opinion on it.

thanks. and again, sorry for the temp hijack.

Barron

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well, I'll answer your question in the easiest way possible:

no, you shouldn't be sleeping in the same bed with your friend. Why not? Because you have a girlfriend and it wouldn't be appropriate. Plus, it'd be disprespectful to her.

And yes, that's the same answer even if you and your friend never even THINK of having sex together. Doersn't matter.

Would you feel comfortable if your gf went away for a week - not only to see a guy "friend," but sleep in the guy's same bed??

Of course not. So don't ask your gf to understand you doing so.

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Dominic
11-07-2005, 10:48 PM
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Dom is this awesome in person, too.

-d

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aw, shucks... /images/graemlins/blush.gif

tonypaladino
11-07-2005, 10:55 PM
Thank you.

meep_42
11-07-2005, 10:57 PM
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Would you feel comfortable if your gf went away for a week - not only to see a guy "friend," but sleep in the guy's same bed??

Of course not. So don't ask your gf to understand you doing so.

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He speaks the truth.... (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/favlinker.php?Cat=0&amp;Entry=123101&amp;F_Board=exchange&amp; Thread=2992509&amp;partnumber=&amp;postmarker=)

-d

Duke
11-07-2005, 10:57 PM
I think I've read everything by Feynman, and also most of his lectures. The guy's incredible. It would be fantastic to kick back, have a drink, and just talk about anything with him. He manages to have more insight into the world around him than damn near everyone else. All he did was open his eyes and think.

And that wasn't because he was a great physicist. He was a great physicist because of that.

~D

diebitter
11-08-2005, 02:39 AM
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I think I've read everything by Feynman, and also most of his lectures. The guy's incredible. It would be fantastic to kick back, have a drink, and just talk about anything with him. He manages to have more insight into the world around him than damn near everyone else. All he did was open his eyes and think.

And that wasn't because he was a great physicist. He was a great physicist because of that.

~D

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I think we need a t-shirt here

'REAL MEN READ FEYNMAN'

imported_anacardo
11-08-2005, 03:09 AM
Everybody loves an ENTP. Sigh.

patrick_mcmurray
11-08-2005, 03:57 AM
Great post.

Has anyone got a link for Dr Dom #1?

(Searched but no luck). Thanks.

meep_42
11-08-2005, 04:15 AM
Here. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Board=exchange&amp;Number=3740179&amp;S earchpage=1&amp;Main=3740179&amp;Words=-Re%3A+Dominic&amp;topic=&amp;Search=true#Post3740179)

In the future, for something like this, but the poster's name in the second box and -Re: in the first, then select OOT. Go back about a month and you're sure to get it.

-d

diebitter
11-08-2005, 04:23 AM
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Everybody loves an ENTP. Sigh.

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Wha? ENTP?

scotty34
11-08-2005, 04:25 AM
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Everybody loves an ENTP. Sigh.

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Wha? ENTP?

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Extroverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Perceiving

Myers-Briggs personality test

ChipWrecked
11-08-2005, 04:41 AM
I landed my wife by adopting Dr. Dom's attitude; actually taking it a little further down the [censored] road.

Lately, we've been watching Sopranos DVD's.... and I think my wife is attracted not just to assholes, but specifically 'made' assholes from New Jersey.

Now what do I do? Learn to say 'fughedabouddit'?

patrick_mcmurray
11-08-2005, 08:32 AM
Thanks Meep!

Clarkmeister
11-09-2005, 12:51 AM
Gold