River play? 600 nl

[Chaostracize]

Villain totally has it out for me. I'm playing my usual spazzy, psycho way. He's made a few plays at him and I've made a few at him. He shows down some pretty crappy hands.

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Button ($985.95)
SB ($787.95)
Hero ($681.60)
UTG ($1249.38)
MP ($1105.93)
CO ($684)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls $6, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, UTG calls $15.

Flop: ($45) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $90</font>, Hero calls $45.

Turn: ($225) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $150</font>, UTG calls $150.

River: ($525) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...

I have 420 behind at this point.

[xorbie]

Raise more PF. I would either 3-bet the flop or check raise the turn, the former looks more like a bluff and the latter will get more money in if he is bluffing, your way just let's him improve for free.

River I would check/call.

[AZK]

cr turn?

[Ray Zee]

if he wont bet kings and tens you should bet it all on the end.

[psuasskicker]

Your PFR looks weak and I think that turn bet looks really weak with the board getting mega-threatening like that.

I can find a value bet on that river. I think JT would have to be a really tough player to pull a move like that. KK isn't a threat. Only thing I'm even a little bit concerned about is KJ...virtually anything else will call you on the end.

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I think you check call the river... to much out there that beats you... plus... if you have him dominated, check to him and allow him to bluff of the rest of his chips.

[Chaostracize]

My pfr was actually TO 21, 3.5x the BB.

[Chaostracize]

I think he has a piece and I think he's going to want the free showdown.

[Chaostracize]

Won't I lose hands that I have dominated?

[Chaostracize]

3-bet to 200 straight? I also feel like this loses hand that I have dominated because when I come out firing after 3 -betting he's going dump just about everything. I really wanted to 3-bet, but I don't use it a lot so I don't know how effective it is. I think I should start trying it.

What should be my 3-betting hands here?

[Chaostracize]

I got the feeling that he wouldn't be betting anything other than a J on the river, but I may be projecting here. I don't think I'm good enough to divine an opponent's value betting habits after only 20 minutes or so.

I think the key here is that you took the lead... got good value for your 10 10... are going to make some money.

However, as the hand progresses... I don't mind you loosing out on that extra $100-$200 value bet.

If you over commit... and he does wake up with a monster... you're going to get stacked.

Furthermore, if this guy really has it out for you, "slow his role" and aggressive calling from the blind by checking down the river and showing him 10's.

[Chaostracize]

QQ. And where would I be overcommitting? I'm afraid of only one hand on the turn.

[TheWorstPlayer]

3-bet flop, push turn. No one min-raises and then folds.

Edit: Fastplaying is the new slowplaying. In general, you seem to play your hands way too slow. At least the ones you post all seem to be played too slow.

[dstraff1]

When you don't 3-bet the flop it's pretty sketchy to lead out the turn, and I think most of the time villian will only call your turn bet. I think check raising the turn is the best play you can make in that position.

As it was played I would stick in 2/3 of pot on river


There's my 2cents chaostracize

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QQ. And where would I be overcommitting? I'm afraid of only one hand on the turn.

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My mistake... I was thinking of another hand I was commenting on...

Disregard previous statement.

I think you played well. Let him bluff the river though.

[Chaostracize]

Villain insta-called and showed K8o. What should I be taking away from this hand? I don't think he's betting on the river here with this specific hand, but will he do it often enough to make a check call profitable?

[freekobe]

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Villain insta-called and showed K8o. What should I be taking away from this hand? I don't think he's betting on the river here with this specific hand, but will he do it often enough to make a check call profitable?

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From this hand, you should be taking away that the villian is a total donkey.

[lapoker17]

Turn bet isn't good.

[scdavis0]

I think the thing to take away from the hand is that checking and calling is certainly the worst possible option against all but the most thinking opponents.

If he got to the river on this board he has either hit the board reasonably hard with a set or two pair, or he had straight drawing type hand.

With the former he won't bet it but you may get value. With the latter he's certainly betting all in with the made straight against which you have commited to calling. Additionally you may occasionally get him to fold a set of kings.

Only a strong opponent would bluff here with a hand that contains solid showdown value.

agreed with K J being the only threatening hand. With your description of him being wild and crazy, youre beating almost every possible holding that hed call you down with except K J. KK just isnt likely enough here, and i dont see him calling any other jack all the way down like that. A value bet of about half the pot will likely get a call from a player like that, and hes not betting on the end here. bet the river.

[flawless_victory]

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Turn bet isn't good.

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hmmm.

[ObnxNole]

A few mistakes here.
1.) Raise more p flop make $25-30
2.) 3- bet the flop.. any straight card kills your action or freezes you..make it $200 on flop and reasess the situation from there. I used to get cute with my big hands on the flop with draw heavy boards but often it would back fire on me.

[lapoker17]

That's all I could muster.

This hand is ugly.

[Chaostracize]

I'm guessing you agree with what everyone's been saying then? Bet more pf, 3-bet flop, cr turn, check call river?

[Bukem_]

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I'm guessing you agree with what everyone's been saying then? Bet more pf, 3-bet flop, cr turn, check call river?

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You pointed out that villain had it out for you, then went with a line that makes it hard for him bluff you out, or think you are overrepresenting your hand.

3 bet flop looks like you are full of it, so does turn cr.

[Chaostracize]

I felt there was a good chance all the chips would go in the middle on the turn if I bet out. I was wrong, obviously.

[neon]

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Fastplaying is the new slowplaying.

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Shhhhhhhhhhhh. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Bukem_]

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I felt there was a good chance all the chips would go in the middle on the turn if I bet out. I was wrong, obviously.

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He needs a big hand, or a really big bluff to push that turn bet. Most of the time, he has a marginal hand, thinks you are full of it, but just wants to get cheap showdown once you fire big like this.

[Chaostracize]

That's because they're the ones I screwed up. I usually play so fast it makes my head spin. It's my biggest leak right now (slowplaying).