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Beer and Pizza
11-07-2005, 04:18 AM
Considering how low Bush is in the polls, if Gilmore wins Virginia, you got to admit that has huge significance. A GOP pickup of the seat held by one of the most popular Democrat governors in the country.
It certainly would show that GOP voters are ready to turnout despite their feelings of meh towards Bush.
Or, it will simply show, once again, how ignorant/uninformed/dense/easily swayed, the general electorate is. They simply can not understand how evil the Repubs are. They lap up the lies and distortions the Repubs spew.
No matter how many times the Dems repeat the truth. No matter how wonderful all the Dem plans for doing everything right. No matter how wonderful the US (and the rest of the world) would be with nothing but Dems in elected offices. People just don't get it.
wh1t3bread
11-07-2005, 10:58 AM
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No matter how wonderful all the Dem plans for doing everything right.
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Neither REPUBLICAN nor DEMOCRATIC candidate in Virginia has detailed a true plan to take on any of the issues in tomorrow's election should they win. It's sad really.
etgryphon
11-07-2005, 11:05 AM
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Considering how low Bush is in the polls, if Gilmore wins Virginia, you got to admit that has huge significance. A GOP pickup of the seat held by one of the most popular Democrat governors in the country.
It certainly would show that GOP voters are ready to turnout despite their feelings of meh towards Bush.
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Not to be a jerk or anything...
It's Kilgore not Gilmore...I think the MSM media and the Dems will make a bigger deal if Kaine wins than the stink if Kilgore wins.
-Gryph
vulturesrow
11-07-2005, 11:10 AM
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Considering how low Bush is in the polls, if Gilmore wins Virginia, you got to admit that has huge significance. A GOP pickup of the seat held by one of the most popular Democrat governors in the country.
It certainly would show that GOP voters are ready to turnout despite their feelings of meh towards Bush.
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Not to be a jerk or anything...
It's Kilgore not Gilmore...I think the MSM media and the Dems will make a bigger deal if Kaine wins than the stink if Kilgore wins.
-Gryph
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I was thinking about that today, being an interested observer here in Virginia. I think that some of it stems from the fact that Kilgore got off to a hot start in the polling, and it is now dead even. I honestly wouldnt be that shocked if Kaine wins, being that he is following in the footsteps of a rather popular Democratic governor.
etgryphon
11-07-2005, 11:15 AM
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Or, it will simply show, once again, how ignorant/uninformed/dense/easily swayed, the general electorate is. They simply can not understand how evil the Repubs are. They lap up the lies and distortions the Repubs spew.
No matter how many times the Dems repeat the truth. No matter how wonderful all the Dem plans for doing everything right. No matter how wonderful the US (and the rest of the world) would be with nothing but Dems in elected offices. People just don't get it.
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What a completely ignorant, elitist, condesending statement. I'm no line stepper with the Repubs, but comments like this are just stupid and moronic.
People choose what they want to support and the america they want to live in. If those line up with the Dems, Repubs, Libs, Socialists, Greens whatever, vote the people that will change America to be in line with your values.
Statements like yours are the reason why the Democratic party is a weak party right now and not providing the needed counter weight to the Republican party. They are too wrapped up in being offended that the general populace may not see the same way as them. So they are whining and complaining rather than adapting and providing independent solutions and not just being reactionary...
It really sad when statements like yours just prevent people from taking you and your party seriously... It is a true disservice.
-Gryph
vulturesrow
11-07-2005, 11:20 AM
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Or, it will simply show, once again, how ignorant/uninformed/dense/easily swayed, the general electorate is. They simply can not understand how evil the Repubs are. They lap up the lies and distortions the Repubs spew.
No matter how many times the Dems repeat the truth. No matter how wonderful all the Dem plans for doing everything right. No matter how wonderful the US (and the rest of the world) would be with nothing but Dems in elected offices. People just don't get it.
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What a completely ignorant, elitist, condesending statement. I'm no line stepper with the Repubs, but comments like this are just stupid and moronic.
People choose what they want to support and the america they want to live in. If those line up with the Dems, Repubs, Libs, Socialists, Greens whatever, vote the people that will change America to be in line with your values.
Statements like yours are the reason why the Democratic party is a weak party right now and not providing the needed counter weight to the Republican party. They are too wrapped up in being offended that the general populace may not see the same way as them. So they are whining and complaining rather than adapting and providing independent solutions and not just being reactionary...
It really sad when statements like yours just prevent people from taking you and your party seriously... It is a true disservice.
-Gryph
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etgryphon
11-07-2005, 11:33 AM
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Fudge Monkey! I'm an idiot. I didn't even look who the post was from.
Nuts, My bad. I'm a freak.
-Gryph
etgryphon
11-07-2005, 11:35 AM
Agreed.
I jsut think they will play it as the end of the Repubs if Kaine wins. But when you think about it, it wouldn't be that big of a move.
-Gryph
Beer and Pizza
11-07-2005, 11:42 AM
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Not to be a jerk or anything...
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It's Kilgore not Gilmore...I
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Yes, well this shows I am not watching the race that closely.
With several of you making a big deal of every one point decline in Bush's polls, how can they then so easily dismiss a GOP pick-up of a seat from the uber-popular Mark Warner?
Someone mentioned that the media won't make a big deal if Kilgore wins. Thats true. But it shows that the media can create negative poll ratings for Bush by relentless negative stories, but they have little impact on actual election results. Election results are more important. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Well, until vulture's post I'd hoped to "catch" a couple more. < evil snicker >
vulturesrow
11-07-2005, 01:04 PM
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Well, until vulture's post I'd hoped to "catch" a couple more. < evil snicker >
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Sorry to spoil your fun. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
Peca277
11-07-2005, 01:21 PM
Etgryph might have corrected the Kilgore/Gilmore gaffe... but Kilgore is using the same "cut your taxes but do more [censored]" spiel, so I can understand the confusion.
Kaine is a HUGE favorite on Tradesports right now. I personally believe Kaine will win, but Kilgore has a lot of value now with an ask of 30. Happy to report I got Kaine at 34... back when nobody believed he had a chance.
I think you will see depressed Republican turnout and increased Dem turnout (especially in NoVA) because of the national state of affairs.
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Considering how low Bush is in the polls, if Gilmore wins Virginia, you got to admit that has huge significance. A GOP pickup of the seat held by one of the most popular Democrat governors in the country.
It certainly would show that GOP voters are ready to turnout despite their feelings of meh towards Bush.
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"Huge significance"? Meh, no matter who wins (so long as its reasonably close). Pataki has won three terms in New York. Does that mean it will be "huge[ly] significan[t]" if Spitzer wins next election? Virginia is a solidly "red state", and the only reason that Warner got to be Governor is because Republicans screwed things up so badly (under GILMORE, remember?) that the voters threw them out.
I will agree that a <u>big</u> win either way would be significant.
Beer and Pizza
11-08-2005, 11:46 AM
How can Mark Warner be a credible Presidential candidate if he can not keep the governorship in his party's hands as the incumbant? Elections are about the incumbant to a large extent. Mark Warner will be shown to be something of a failure.
Peca277
11-08-2005, 01:48 PM
While one could argue that... Tim Kaine isn't Mark Warner. If Warner could run for re-election, he'd coast to a 60%+ victory. I love Tim Kaine and I love Mark Warner, but people won't vote for Tim SOLELY because they like Warner.
You know, maybe you're right. Maybe these elections are very, very, very meaningful. Especially VA. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
vulturesrow
11-08-2005, 10:28 PM
Kaine is leading by about 5% right now with almost 90% of the vote in.
The once and future king
11-08-2005, 10:48 PM
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Or, it will simply show, once again, how ignorant/uninformed/dense/easily swayed, the general electorate is. They simply can not understand how evil the Repubs are. They lap up the lies and distortions the Repubs spew.
No matter how many times the Dems repeat the truth. No matter how wonderful all the Dem plans for doing everything right. No matter how wonderful the US (and the rest of the world) would be with nothing but Dems in elected offices. People just don't get it.
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Many a true thing was said in jest.
caretaker1
11-11-2005, 07:06 AM
I agree with what you said about the Repbulicans. However, I'm not sure the Dems are a whole lot better.
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