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11-05-2005, 10:39 PM

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Early reads (about 25 hands):
MP1 - Calling Station 58.3/8.9/.69 went to showdown 44.9
Button - TAP 23.9/11.3/.59

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls, Button 3-bets, Hero?

McGahee

11-05-2005, 10:45 PM

Easy cap with the calling station coming along.
When you check a brick on the turn, the TAP button will probably get confused and give you a free card when he has the best hand.

Fryguy

11-06-2005, 12:26 AM

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Easy cap with the calling station coming along.

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I check almost any turn card that comes here

El Ishmael

11-06-2005, 01:12 AM

Capping seems thin here. Around break-even I'd imagine since you're likely drawing to solely a flush.

Flop check/raise is bad IMO as well. You're isolating yourself heads up with the PFR on an AKQ flop. You're not ahead often at all here. I think I'd just check/call the flop here.

beaster

11-06-2005, 01:12 AM

*grunch*

I cap the flop. You're likely outkicked and even up against two pair, but you also might be up against another, lower flush draw. With the nut flush draw and top pair its time to fire with both barrels. Top pair likely won't hold up, but say another ace drops or the K or Q pairs on the board. That might salvage your hand here. Really you're pulling for another heart.

11-06-2005, 02:11 AM

Another A does not fold here, calling station will call, TAP will not fold a good A. Why cap?

We have a pure draw here. Capping is neither for value nor to protect. TAP will not go that crazy about a flush draw if he has one.

I just call Button's bet here trying to keep CC.

Jaran

11-06-2005, 02:17 AM

Because of your relative position, you should prolly bet out rather than c/r this flop.

-Jaran

milesdyson

11-06-2005, 04:21 AM

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check/call the flop

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me too

betting is worse but still better than check raising.

cold_cash

11-06-2005, 05:51 AM

How likely are you to have the best hand on the flop?

How likely are you to have the best hand after the Button 3-bets?

What kind of equity do you have?

Are you confident you'll make the best hand if you pair your kicker?

Think about what you want to accomplish on the flop.

Would you like to be heads up with the Button, or would you like the other dude in to possibly pay off if you make a flush?

Do you want a bunch of bets going in?

How would this hand play differently if there were more players between you and the Button? Why?

11-06-2005, 06:21 AM

grunch....

caps?? why ever would you not cap here?

11-06-2005, 07:21 AM

I'm going to bet-call this flop. Button's range for a preflop raise includes a lot of non-Aces. If he raises the flop, I'm willing assume I'm outkicked for now, call, and see what develops. Either way, I want MP1 in there contributing to my flush draw, so I don't want to face him with two cold on a check raise.

11-06-2005, 08:15 AM

ack too long ago to edit: sorry ignore my last post i totally misread the hand, just realised.

you should have led out on the flop

11-06-2005, 08:51 AM

Checkraising this flop is definitely the worst option when faced with 2 cold even calling stations can fold on an AKQ board.

I like bet\calling over check\calling.

TAG's raising range is fairly wide 11.3. This includes TT, 99, 88, KJ and whole bunch you could be ahead of here. He is passive post flop and a bet here is unlikely to, but could pick up the pot.

Due to villian's passive postflop stats, I think betting this flop will tell you how strong your hand is UI and is one of the very rare circumstances where the "information value" is worth it.

As you played it.

Once TAG 3bets your checkraise you know he has you beat at this point. His range does include AT, AJ definitely so your 2pr outs aren't completely gone but are pretty close. Your nut flush is ~neutral value and has slim edge, if any, at this point as you could be up against a set. Capping this flop depends on how likely it might buy you a free card on the turn.
Due to villians passive nature, if you cap this flop, check the turn and he still bets, you can confidently fold the river unimproved.
The 1SB invested now can save you 1BB on the river. I cap it.

HouseCalls

11-06-2005, 07:33 PM

OK here is the rest of the hand for better or worse I capped...

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah 6h (two pair, aces and sixes).
Button has Qs Ks (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.25 BB.