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Unarmed
11-05-2005, 10:19 PM
Bet river and if so how much? My image is terrible, I've been terrorizing these guys pre-flop, so his range is actually quite wide on the PF RR. Also, anyone bet the turn for 1/3 pot with plans to bet the river for 1/3? I don't think I get two fullish bets out of any non-ace hand so its either bet small on both turn and river or check behind on turn and bet riv for 1/2-2/3 or so. I like the latter but I'll take arguments for the former as well.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

MP2 (t605)
CO (t1635)
Button (t1225)
SB (t1975)
BB (t910)
UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t645)
Hero (t2045)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t50</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t172.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t125.

Flop: (t362.50) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t250</font>, Hero calls t250.

Turn: (t862.50) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t862.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ?

bones
11-05-2005, 10:27 PM
Terrorizing them preflop on level 1? You're an animal.

pergesu
11-05-2005, 10:29 PM
Sure I'd bet like 350 on the turn. Maybe your image is bad enough that he'll try to c/r you with Ax, KK, etc. I assume you think you're good here, so yeah. 1/3 turn 1/3 river sounds good to me, and hopefully he raises you.

bones
11-05-2005, 10:31 PM
Looks like a middle pair (99-JJ) shutting down and looking to see a SD cheap. I'd probably bet 1/2-3/4ths pot. I definitely like the turn check.

11-05-2005, 10:52 PM
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Looks like a middle pair (99-JJ) shutting down and looking to see a SD cheap. I'd probably bet 1/2-3/4ths pot. I definitely like the turn check.

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Oluwafemi
11-05-2005, 11:10 PM
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Turn: (t862.50) 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t662.50.

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bigt439
11-06-2005, 04:12 AM
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Terrorizing them preflop on level 1? You're an animal.

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Yeah, that's weird.

I love the turn check. Half pot the river. I'm sure you don't need me to explain my logic, it's the same as yours.

Irieguy
11-06-2005, 04:38 AM
The reason why you check the turn is to induce a bluff on the river. When he doesn't bite, you don't necessarily have to change your whole plan and start figuring out how much value you can get. If you wanted value, the time was on one of the earlier streets.

You've decided to let him maintain the betting impetus and hang himself to whatever degree he wishes. I think that's a great idea considering the situation you've built for yourself here very early in this SNG.

You have plenty of chips and you are about to get 400 more. Really, the decision on the river (based on your play up until this point) is whether or not you want to show this hand down. I will often make river bets simply to avoid showing my hand, but you have explained a scenario where you may want to show a big hand that you've played passively. If your image is already one of a terrorist, it wouldn't hurt to show an AK here that you played passively throughout.

I'm not saying that image should dictate play to any significant extent in a SNG... but this is a relatively rare dynamic you have set up. Sitting on 2400 chips in level 1 of a 109 with a confusing, aggressive but tricky image is probably worth about $30-$40 in real money... maybe even more.

I would (gasp) check behind on the river.

Irieguy

bawcerelli
11-06-2005, 06:00 AM
why not just bet the river, and if he folds, show your cards?

Doc
11-06-2005, 07:02 AM
Irieguy answered my question.

Thanks,

Doc

Scuba Chuck
11-06-2005, 07:25 AM
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You've decided to let him maintain the betting impetus and hang himself to whatever degree he wishes. I think that's a great idea considering the situation you've built for yourself here very early in this SNG.

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If he bets the river, is our hero just calling?

Unarmed: Thanks for posting.

Unarmed
11-06-2005, 07:27 AM
Ok, say my image isn't so crappy and his range is therefore richer in made hands. (PPs) Isn't it still a good idea to check behind on the turn to induce a call from him on the river? How much would I bet on the turn (if any) if I could see his hole cards? (88)

The way I see it is:

He bets flop and gets called. He thinks, f*ck he has an ace. I bet turn, he says, yep I'm beat, and folds. However, if I check behind on the turn, he goes hmmmm maybe he has KQ? Then I bet the riv and he has to make a crying call.

bigt439
11-06-2005, 02:02 PM
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Ok, say my image isn't so crappy and his range is therefore richer in made hands. (PPs) Isn't it still a good idea to check behind on the turn to induce a call from him on the river? How much would I bet on the turn (if any) if I could see his hole cards? (88)

The way I see it is:

He bets flop and gets called. He thinks, f*ck he has an ace. I bet turn, he says, yep I'm beat, and folds. However, if I check behind on the turn, he goes hmmmm maybe he has KQ? Then I bet the riv and he has to make a crying call.

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I'm with you. This is one of the rare times I really don't agree with Ireiguy. Maybe I'm missing something he's saying, but it doesn't add up for me.

adanthar
11-06-2005, 02:06 PM
I was with Irieguy until he said to check the river. 400 chips is nice but you are gonna automatically get 400 more by betting! Just bet.

pokerlaw
11-06-2005, 02:11 PM
make a small bet here (t200 or so), I dont see the harm in getting called and winning some more chips.

would you mind posting the rest of the "terrorizing" level 1???