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Mr. Curious
11-05-2005, 05:45 PM
$500 Live NL
Blinds are $5/10

Hand 1
8 Handed

Stacks:
CO: $1800
Button: $600
Hero: $1700

Table:
The table has been mostly loose, passive preflop; very aggressive postflop.

Reads:
CO is a very good, solid tournament pro, but he's playing this cash game like it is a tourney.
Button is super loose, super aggressive, super tricky.

Hero is in the SB with 63o

Preflop: UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: K54 rainbow (5 players)
Pot: $50

Hero donks it for $20, BB folds, MP1 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $120, Hero calls, CO raises to $220, Button pushes all-in $460, Hero ... ?

<font color="blue">The only hand that I know neither have is KK. Button would make this move with any set, any two pair, or an open ended straight draw. CO has at least two pair. I am positive that if I am continuing with this hand, CO will ensure that all of the chips will be in the pot on the flop.</font>

Hand 2
7 Handed

Stacks:
CO $800
Hero covers

Reads:
CO is the same CO from the first hand, but he is now a bit on tilt.

Table:
Still loose passive preflop, aggressive postflop

Hero is on the button with 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif4/images/graemlins/spade.gif

Preflop: UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif5/images/graemlins/heart.gif6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Pot: $40

BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $40, Hero raises to $120, BB folds, MP1 folds, CO raises to $420, Hero ... ?

<font color="blue">My gut told me that he did not have the straight or the flush, but when he came back over the top...</font>

spoohunter
11-05-2005, 05:46 PM
In the second hand I just flat call the first bet.

fanmail
11-05-2005, 09:54 PM
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I am positive that if I am continuing with this hand, CO will ensure that all of the chips will be in the pot on the flop.


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Uh, time to fold, no?

11-05-2005, 10:12 PM
Hand 1 is a simple mathematic calculation. Hand 2 is a clear fold.

Mr. Curious
11-08-2005, 09:26 PM
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In the second hand I just flat call the first bet.

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Is this looked at a WA/WB scenario?

Mr. Curious
11-08-2005, 09:36 PM
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Hand 1 is a simple mathematic calculation.

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I have 35% equity and would be getting 3:1 on calling the button's all-in, but it would still cost me an extra $500 to call the CO's over the top (max raise is $500), so it would actually cost me $800 to win $1770. That's barely 2:1 and not worth it since I may miss on the turn and still have to call the CO's all-in.

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Hand 2 is a clear fold.

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There is $280 in the pot and it costs Hero $300 to call, giving us about 2:1. We are sure to win the rest of CO's money if we hit the boat, so wouldn't it be calling $300 now to win a total of $950 ($280 + $300 + the $370 in the stack)?

What hand do you put CO on and what hand does he put Hero on?